Spiritual Teachers

[Ciel]

Thank you dauer,
Interesting in itself, for the difference of perception through tradition.

[In the Now]

Hi Ciel

With reference to your latest link, cant help but wonder - Is this something you wrote yourself?

If it was, I doubt I'd need to be here bothering you guys for info....

Another interesting site is http://www.spiritualteachers.org/index.htm

You asked

If you are really looking for a spiritual teacher, look towards the one that touches your soul and enlivens your spirit. Then something can happen, and through whatever direction it takes you, you will evolve through the truth of your own being.

Ok, Still asking, can you recomend any from your own experience? I keep hearing 2nd and 4th hand accounts (and usually of people who are dead).

But to seek initialy to discredit serves no purpose. There are many different levels of enlightenment, some teachers are not of the highest level, but still are there to help the process and the definition of all it is towards higher quality.

But there are so many teachers, so many theories, so many enlightenments, apparently so many who aren't but say they are, and so many who are but say you mustn't say you are or it means you are not etc... so many stories... so many stories....... so many stories.......................

What is it you truly expect? What does enlightenment mean to you?
In the real meaning of enlightenment there is the grace of God, the indefinable, only defined when one is immersed in the very same.

So we don't stand much of a chance really, if it can only be defined once you are enlightened, and different enlightened people seem to define it in different ways, and people who may not be also define it in different ways. so many stories.... so many stories...... so many stories......................

[Ciel]

Hi In the Now,
So your looking for the story that connects to your own.

[dauer]

In the now, why don't you just start walking and if along the way you meet a fellow traveler a bit more travelled than you who shares some things that appear to be helpful, take it in?

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

I have to say, having read through the initial link about Mr Roach, I would say that he is not enlightened as Shakyamuni was enlightened. Neither do I assume that he is lying, Im sure he has achieved some measure of inner peace which may be something he can teach others.

[In the Now]

Ciel

Hi In the Now,
So your looking for the story that connects to your own.

Maybe. Or maybe just for this enlightenment stuff to happen here, without me having to do anything or follow anybody. I don't want to wait for it. I want it to be everything I want and expect, and more, and...er... oh yes.. I want it to make me rich and famous .

dauer
In the now, why don't you just start walking and if along the way you meet a fellow traveler a bit more travelled than you who shares some things that appear to be helpful, take it in?

I think that's why I'm here. Difficult to know what to look for though.

Awaiting_the_fifth
I have to say, having read through the initial link about Mr Roach, I would say that he is not enlightened as Shakyamuni was enlightened. Neither do I assume that he is lying, Im sure he has achieved some measure of inner peace which may be something he can teach others.

So what do we look for? How do we know if someone is enlightened or not? How would you know if Mr Roach, Mr Parsons, Mr Tolle or Mr Cohen etc.... are or not. We hear so many stories.........

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

I dont think he is a newly manifested Buddha for a number of reasons; This is not the time for the next Buddha, his words sound to me like the words of a mere man. However this is only my, Buddhist view of enlightenment and you may understand the word in a different way.

What to look for? I would say to watch out for teachings which are meaningful to you. I dont think you can "look for" a spiritual guide, just keep an open mind, hear everyone's point of view and maybe you will find one that is right for you.

I said that I do not believe Nick Roach to be enlightened, but if his teachings appeal to you, then follow them.

[Ciel]

In the Now,
Then realise that particular story line is never going to take you further than the first paragraph and unless you want to be asking the same question for the rest of your life you need to turn a few pages.........infact I would suggest a brand new script because the old one is already played out as far as it can go.

[In the Now]

Hi Ciel.
Thank you. I was being a litle facetious with my answer, but not very. I know something will have to change.

Awaiting_the_fifth

I dont think he is a newly manifested Buddha for a number of reasons; This is not the time for the next Buddha, his words sound to me like the words of a mere man.

I don't think he claims to be anything else (perhaps that's your point). What words should I be looking for, to sound like a buddha and not a mere Man? I may be way off here, but I thought a buddha was a man who has found a certain level of being