Spirits

[Blue]

I have been studying this thread, and don't often visit because of pressure from work, but really...?
Spirits?
I think Brian said as much by saying he doesn't normally think too much about it! (in spite of having thought he was being watched sometimes)

Spirits are simply an individual believing that 'something' might be 'there'. It is an aspect of an individual's affective nature and nurture.
It is like Faith itself; something basically irrational, because it demands nothing more than personal validations and actually doesn't, (because it cannot) seek validations in the material world beyond self.
Faith, or Spirits, are not (as it has been shown in scientific investigations) of the domain of the cognitive, the reasonable and rational.

If someone likes to believe in 'Spirits', that's fine, but if there was proof beyond oneself, there would be no necessity for such a discussion.

We validate such belief concepts for ourselves, or not, and that is surely the most we can say?

[alexa]

Hi Blue and welcome to CR !

Spirits are energetical prints and they are around us even if we like it or not. Some of us can sense thier presence and for the others is only fiction.

May I ask you what are the scientific investigations you are talking about ?

[Blue]

Originally Posted by alexa

Hi Blue and welcome to CR !

Spirits are energetical prints and they are around us even if we like it or not. Some of us can sense thier presence and for the others is only fiction.

May I ask you what are the scientific investigations you are talking about ?

Hi Alexa,

Thankyou for the welcome, but I am in fact a very old member going back to Brian's founding of this site!

As to your comments, I see no problem with what you say abvout them being 'energetical prints' and being 'around us', but there is absolutely no scientific basis for such comments, as you indeed imply when you say 'some of us sense their presence'. Well... if you do, you do, but you are only expressing a personal and affective view on the basis of your affective nature and nurture. You offer no rational explanation by saying they are 'energetical prints'. That's just a subjective opinion.

As to the scientific investigations of claimed 'spirit' phenomena, the evidence is overwhelming. ALL properly conducted research, including some at my own University, have produced NO evidence for 'energetical prints'. The ideas of stones in building retaining the imprints, like some kind of tape or video recording has just not been proven... and if they were, that would not prove the existence of indepepndently self directing 'spirits'.
If you want to view any scientific investigations of 'Spirits' please refer to Google and look particularly at authentic research conducted by respected Universities... there are masses of references to follow up.

I was concerned, when much younger, with an actual investigation concerning a young girl, that reached the National Press. 13 years after the events, which the family claimed were evidence of 'Spirits', the young girl came forward and admitted it had all been a 'set-up', just as I had said at the time, though I couldn't, at the time disprove all the claimed phenomena.

Cheers,
And thanks again for the belated Welcome! lol

[alexa]

Hi Blue and nice to meet you !

I'm afraid I saw only the new member title under your user name and the number of posts. Sorry about that.

What do you think about what Quahom1 said in his post #22 for this thread ?