Spirit Guides - what are they?

[InLove]

Hello Bandit!

[wil]

Originally Posted by InLove

Hello Bandit!

Speakin of spirit guides...

sorta like seein a long lost cousin...

makes me feel like dancin...

glad you stopped by...

whilst passin thru...

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by InLove

Hello Bandit!

Hi Sweet!

[seattlegal]

Bandit!
It's great to read you!

[flowperson]

Originally Posted by Bandit

that sums it up. debating religion is like watching I Love Lucy reruns. You know exactly what is going to happen & what Ricky is going to say to Lucy. though some do smoke more crack & pot than others.

now back to spirit guides, what are they.

Hi Bandit:

I have had so many "spirit guide" experiences there are too many to enumerate. Their manifestation is always similar. They visually signal the forthcoming of some event that might be "trouble" for me. Many times birds have been bearers of these signals...doves, sparrows, usually. But most of the time it has been other humans. And for me they have always been spiritual experiences...and when I was sober. Yeah, sometimes it WAS like watching re-runs of I Love Lucy

It's happened on CR when patterns of postings seem to indicate signals to me to anticipate something that will happen in my life. Very strange. The closest that I can come to explain it in a modern metaphor would be the defunct TV series, Quantum Leap.

Of course Eastern cultures firmly believed in omen reading in order to obtain knowledge of the future, especially Chinese culture. Don't forget the oracle at Delphi who positioned her stool over a crack in the earth, inhaled the gases that welled up into her nostrils and created visions for her, and then advised the secular powers regarding the future. I don't believe in throwing bones or studying the patterns in a tortoise shell, but hey...different strokes for different folks.

flow....

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Bandit

that sums it up. debating religion is like watching I Love Lucy reruns. You know exactly what is going to happen & what Ricky is going to say to Lucy. though some do smoke more crack & pot than others.

now back to spirit guides, what are they.

Hey, Bandito!

Nice to see you, where ya been?

Chris

[Tekto9]

Originally Posted by Zagreus

(...)
Eventually we must provide our own World Teachers, just as every other Planet in Cosmos ... but in the meantime, it would be good if we could just manage to produce the FORM - the family, the community, the sustainable, peace-loving society & civilization (all of these blueprints, or living ideal-models having long been given to us by God, with countless iterations & improvements, reminders, etc.) ... into which a Christ or Bodhisattva could incarnate - GEE, that would be convenient!

But we can't seem to manage it. Twice, thus far, has an advanced Initiate been willing to undergo special, artificial hastening of his own evolution - certainly along lines which were not part of his original spiritual need, or intent - so that the Christ of the 5th Root Race could take Incarnation (and this is EXACTLY what He has done, even while it is via an Initiate, another Soul, that He manifests ... the method does not change the Effect for our little planet).
(...)

Hello dear friend Zagreus. I have found a few moments ago your posts and have recognized how much indeed they are in line with my own thought. You have expressed well your views, even in things not so easy to express in words; at least I think I wouldn't be able to do it [even less in English language lol].

Anyway, my currently very limited spare time doesn't allow much to discuss on these high subjects. But, I would like request that you provide, that is if you may or if you are willing to, some more insight into this subject of the "World Teachers".

If so, may you please take into account that there is expectation, at least by some of us, that at some time there may be further developments... I'll provide two quotes to be understood by our readers at their own discretion:

« I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you. » John 16:12-15

« We may rest assured that the divine leaders of evolution made no mistake when they gave the Christian Religion to the Western World--the most advanced teaching to the most precocious among mankind. (...)
If we believe Christ's words: "My kingdom is not of this world," (kosmos, the Greek word used for "world" meaning "order of things" rather than our planet, the earth, which is called gaea), we shall know better than to look for Christ today. (...)
But we may be sure that though impostors deceive for a time, they are found out sooner or later, and their plans come to naught. Meanwhile, progression continues to bring us nearer the Aquarian Age, and a Teacher is coming to give the Christian Religion impetus in a new direction. » Max Heindel (1910s)

Thank you in advance.

[Dondi]

Tetro9,

FYI, Zagreus is an alias for another poster: AndrewX. He also went by the name taijasi. However, I haven't seen AndrewX of late. His last post was on Nov, 26, 2007. Just letting you know that your appreciation may go unnoted.

Love & peace,

Dondi

[Tekto9]

Thank you dear Dondi for your thoughtful attention.

No problem & no urgency too. In fact, revising my previous post, I see it more like an exteriorization of things that already dwell inside me and perhaps, if not coming from illusion, to be answered when prepared.

Grateful, and best wishes unto you.
In friendship, Marco

[taijasi]

A virtual bow to you, Tekto9 (Marco), and to Dondi.

I perused the forum this evening, and saw your post. I'm not sure what I could say about the subject of World Teachers at the moment. But what drew me to this thread again, after seeing the title, was a play on the words "spirit guides." I found myself thinking, "No, the Spirit that guides!"

How can that which is Singular, also be plural? It seems the question that really needs answering is that of the One and the many.

If I can accept a plurality of Masters, and also a Master to Whom Masters are as disciples (are not we all?) ... then why can't the adherent of any - and every - other tradition?

It seems that in time, that is as certain as acknowledging the Magnetic Source which draws us all ...

Anyway, a Hierarchy in which Order (a Quality, or Principle) is accepted because exalted (!) - might allow for spirit guides of many positive orders (plural), as well as several negative (or unhelpful toward humanity). This is an Order in which the supersensual worlds are not unlike the sensual, in composition. There is virtue, and there is vice. There are habitualized criminals and *oppositional* elements in society, while there are also benevolent, uplifting and forward-looking forces ... active in most every situation. If nothing else, there are the divine currents of Life Itself, moving through every single particle of substance which surrounds, composes and interpenetrates us. Every `piece' of existence - Breathes

"that and 50 cents" as the saying goes ...

[taijasi]

Given your familiarity with esoteric teachings and spiritual path, Marco, I wonder if you might comment on the following quotation from C. W. Leadbeater's Masters and the Path?

The candidate who has passed the first Initiation has entered definitely upon the Path ... The first stage of his journey ends in the second Initiation, to achieve which he must cast off three Samyojana or fetters, which are:

Sakkayaditthi -- the delusion of self.
Vichikichchha -- doubt or uncertainty.
Silabbataparamasa -- superstition.

These last two fetters seem related to the subject of Spirit Guides - and discernment.

[gp1628]

If someone wanted a pseudo-scientific answer then it might be considered that spirit guides are a meditative way to speak to your subconscious. The placement of the subconscious into an animal form would give it the ability to suggest but not be considered as smarter and infallible. It might be considered to be quite healthy to converse with your subconscious without granting it full peer status. It could also be quite informative as the subconscious mind if able to put together things that we consciously miss.

Im not putting down spirit guides. Im all for them. I just like taking the role of scientific "doubter" and turning it into scientific believer to help arm people who might come up against such a person.

[Tekto9]

Many thanks dear taijasi for your compliment and for having addressed my previous question; though I'll have to submit it to a further analysis of mine.

First of all, you have expressed that I show [some] "familiarity with esoteric teachings"; (I) would agree [to some extent], but, please allow to note that it does not mean that I may be knowledgeable of them, that is, that I have a so clear-deep comprehension of these Teachings that I would not incur myself and, involuntarily, my fellows into error. In fact I am not; otherwise I should be able to express them as I aspire to [one day]: not by my current vain speech, but through all my daily actions.

About "Initiation":

Though (I) have been avoiding all matters pertaining to higher Things--me; I had already been told once that "The candidate who has passed the first Initiation has entered definitely upon the Path ...".

About "fetters"

(I) have not devoted yet much thought into these aspects, so I am not able to provide much insight. Also, though some years ago I went through some of the Teosophical & neo-Theosophical writings, I have not yet read C. W. Leadbeater's entire text you provided, though I see it as a much valuable one.
Sometimes, I have to address and evaluate these issues within me, that is, how my lack of discernment, and my own personal(ity) will, may create illusions that will affect the entrusted Message that needs[needed] to be transmitted. Then I learn then to forget of myself. A this time I recall only that I can only but be totally Grateful.

Hope this may help.
Best unto your constructive efforts, Marco.

« A rosa não tem porque, floresce porque floresce, ela não se preocupa consigo mesma, ela não deseja ser vista. A rosa que vocês vêem com seus olhos físicos, em Deus está florida por toda Eternidade. » Angelus Silesius

[Dondi]

Welcome back, Andrew. Long time no see. I've missed your lengthy posts (I do read them from time to time).

[Thomas]

Hi Andrew! Long time no see ...

Originally Posted by taijasi

I found myself thinking, "No, the Spirit that guides!"

That alone is worth way more than 50 cents, old chum!

Pax tecum,

Thomas