soup!

[_Z_]

welcome to planet israel/palestine! this is what we must be careful of when blending. i see it as a natural process, if we don’t try to force things then we will see how it would naturally go ~ as it must eventually regardless of what we do.
what that outcome will be i don’t know, it looks like soup or stew in the current climate, however cycles go like that, we will probably see a condensing after the relaxing. thence new shapes will be formed.

[Bishadi]

the idea or question is pretty universal ‘why is there existence’ or ‘why are we here’….. each of these is subjective to opinion, the ‘why is mankind here’…. has one direct meaning, but that is for another day as the rest of the post shares a few items that need understanding first.

no not at all, forget the human mind and its apparent subjectivity, everything we observe has reasons and its own objective reality. i think the idea that everything is subjective leaves us in a matrix, when the truth is that that is its own falsehood. ultimately there must be reality even if we subjectively have no idea what it is [which i think is wrong because we have a very good idea of what it is].

I completely disagree with your mind set here…… for example, a bee does not do well in the ocean, because the environment does not have a purpose for that species….

So yes, we are literally in a matrix of existence…. We are a ‘part’ of the total! We exist within each environment, and to leave it takes effort as a serious undertaking and even causes ‘evolution.’

when the truth is that that is its own falsehood.

Please share exactly why, ‘that that’ is false. The suggestion was; to address ‘why’ is subjective to opinion and you debate this. No circles, just state why you oppose. I wish to learn your opinion.

Or try a little common sense

‘origin of life’ …… take a flat pond, tap the surface. Do you see the waves moving through? And when the surface has no wave, then there is no life to your imposition. If you tap the surface twice, the waves may interact. Then the combining 2 may increase their potential by the association. SO the life of interaction may continue longer based on the combination of the 2.

This interaction of energy to combine and increase its potential is a life. So if there was nothing, and time began, then likewise mass and energy separated, yet are still combined by time (existence). Yet, when the isolated structures combine once again, associating in time, with each counter-part, then a life within the structures exists. This is a physical reality to mass and energy associating within an environment; life. The mathematical laws behind this are not in current physics.

IN a sense, yes, by simple logic; we each can recognize this kind of system as simply described, does in fact appear in everyday observations. Those 2 associated forms of energy upon mass can associate to increase the potential of the 2, and be of greater potential then if you added the sums of the 2 separate. Meaning; 2 people can pick up more than the sum of 2 separate. This occurs because the environment entangles the association. This concept is not in today’s physics.

It is why evolution is not comprehended by many as the math to perfect this is that missing ‘definition’ to the sciences. i.e…. Phospholipid bilayers (undescribed phenomenon) are lipids that resonate (no peptide bonds) between the lipids and how they assemble to build the cell walls. (life from the soup)….. the form above shared how this occurs but in the sciences there is no publication representing this…. IN current models, they address energy in ‘potential differences’ such as positive and negative which is the incorrect analogy since the energy upon mass is the ‘light’ wavelength of energy.

For example; to tap that surface of the pond did not add electric impulses, sure we can convert to but it was an imposition caused by momentum which imposed a wavelength to the mass (wave). Well at the very small of atoms and energy, the sciences do not address energy as such and why that solution to the ‘soup of life’ has never been described correctly.

the evolution of life, indeed universal evolution is of something, a greater party, what i mean is that life evolves because its essence and potential is ‘there’ and wants to become [in laymans terms]. 0,1,2,3 exist in math because 0 demands 1 which in turn demands 2 etc, they to are evolutions, but 3 also must become itself for its own purpose.

to continue!

Purpose of life: to continue.

so let us say there are origins and fundamentals.

I agree and every person alive can understand these equally.

All I suggest is to ‘Start with light,’ and then existing knowledge can become common sense but it is this ‘paradigm shift’ that enables this final evolution or knowledge.

Each can know, how it started, why it works, what choices to make, and simply how to live forever by what you do………….

Just the little things….

All based on actual rules equal to existence;

Light is life.

Purpose of life: to continue.

Good: supports life

Bad: loss to the common

And each of these suggested are based on a frame that is mathematically combining the three (trinity); mass, energy, time…. ….

This is the form that combines all mankind yet that name (math) to this, is something that cannot be released to the public, just yet….. as until the people understand, then that release will be kept by me, alone!

In other words, either people want to know the truth or they don’t. I will not publish for the business of the community. So the writing continues for the benefit of the species….. as it is the human experience, the people, you… that is most important… I do not care to be accepted by any for my own glory.

So is there a nut that cares just to contribute? Well this I, are one!

So when you read about solutions and ideas of compassion, cause and purpose, be sure, my friend what you are reading is grounded about as purely as any could want.

[dauer]

Z,

Originally Posted by Z

i think you are right though, eventually we will arrive at some kind of rapture,

I never said that. I'm just being open to the possibility that something like that could happen. I'm rather skeptical that it will.

Wil,

Finding oneself the deep personal truth could be the truth for all, but not apply to all as you have building blox dauer, I have wil and z has z.

So while I see the alphabet that is required for me and understand the same 'whole' is required for you to complete, you've got a different starting block, differing set of experiences long the path so while I say...look yes this is my revelation I see how it is complete for both me and you, you look at it and scratch your head saying

I'm still not entirely sure what you're saying and I would still assert that subjectivity works as a stop gag. It may be that a person knows the way things really are, but because of subjectivity I don't think they could ever verify that fact. I think it's much more likely that there are many people who think they know the way things really are because they've projected their own personal experience onto the world.

I'm not addressing what is personally meaningful or personally true because I see both as an issue of perspective, personal truth being itself imo a sometimes misleading term. Someone can experience something as being very true and see that truth reflected in everything without it having anything to do with Truth at all.

-- Dauer

[_Z_]

dauer hi

I never said that. I’m just being open to the possibility that something like that could happen. I’m rather skeptical that it will.

please see this thread for a more expansive answer, scroll down to the bottom for a reflection upon this.

universal consciousness and the utility of mind

ps. i expect you will still be as sceptical

[Dream]

A famous Swedish story called Nail Soup .

I don't really think that the story has anything to do with the thread, but I wanted to bring it up, because its a good short story. Soup doesn't represent a contest of ideas to me, because it has to have carefully balanced, complementary flavors. Religions clash and must call each other liars. They just don't remind me of soup ingredients at all. If there was a soup representing religions as ingredients it would be made of....water, pickles, sour cream, detergent, marbles....and just about anything. Yucky. Also, I seriously doubt that all religions are non-malicious creations. I mean, a bunny rabbit with jellyfish stingers is clearly a lab-monster. A porcupine is the genuine item.

[Bishadi]

wise....

a bunny rabbit with jellyfish stingers is clearly a lab-monster. A porcupine is the genuine item.

Man created the words within theology; nature reflects the truth!