Solution for Humanity!!!

[Azure24]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

...Islam is the only religion of the world and true religion of the world...

This alone is the most "dawah" (proselytizing) thing I've read in this forum for a long time.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

...im just want to remove misconceptions and nothing else.

Judging from what you said further up above I don't think thats all you want to do...

Originally Posted by islamis4u

...For instance,they claim to have found contradictions in the Qur’an...

You also claim you have found "Errors in the Bible" on one of your threads.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

...Yeah offcourse i do not know about Buddhism much...

Oh look! He does not know much about Buddhism! Is that why you said:

Originally Posted by islamis4u

...Islam is only religion that have respect for Jesus(pbuh) other then Christian themselves...

Tell me islamis4u (even your name gives out the wrong signals), what other religions don't you know about?

Originally Posted by islamis4u

...their is no respect for a women!!

If a woman decides to wear a mini skirt, that is her choice isn't it? How is this disrespect? What IS disrespect is FORCING a woman what to wear...

Originally Posted by islamis4u

...if your religion have more points then this tell us?

Has more points? Probably no. The same points? Yes (though I must say apart from the Hijab thing...)

You know when you say there's alot of misconceptions about Islam, you brought up something in my head. So I have a question for you (islamis4u).

I once told a friend (who is a muslim) why don't you protest about what is going on (9/11, 7/7 and what have you...)?

and you know what they said?:

"There is no need to start protesting, we do not need to protest about something people have done. They are not themselves muslims if they have done this".

This is probably true, but if muslims would have done this. They would have shown the whole world that Islam does not stand for this.

I then said:

"But look what happened when that picture was published by the Danish newspapers depicting Muhammed. That did not stop muslims from angrily protesting (burning things and such) then though didn't it?"

So I ask you: if muslims did not protest during the Terrorist attacks, to show eveyone they did not stand for it. Why did they then protest (and quite violently) during those publishing of the cartoon pictures?

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Azure24

If a woman decides to wear a mini skirt, that is her choice isn't it? How is this disrespect? What IS disrespect is FORCING a woman what to wear...

In the correct way of Islam no woman is forced...........

[Azure24]

Ok, then "telling".

[Vajradhara]

Namaste Islamis4u,

thank you for the post.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Yeah offcourse i do not know about Buddhism much, so i would not have a DIALOGUE on that, but as i do not know much i just want to like to ask that how it practically teaches about the brotherhood and things i said.

it teaches them directly to students through the Suttas and through the instruction of monks and nuns. if you are asking about specific teachings regarding these things i could find those for you if necessary though you'd need to narrow down your question a bit.

Western culture you talk about i would not have said about it much but as you have pointed about western culture, i ask you simple question, their is no respect for a women!!

that's not a question, that's a statement. one which is demonstrably false, i may add.

respect for any being comes from the individual being.

you will ask how i said that i will answer look brother you would say that they respect because we make them independence okay. what independence of a woman give them?

the right to vote. the right to self determination, the right to determine how they want to live their lives, for starters.

it is the same that independence for males allows for. seperating human beings by their gender into society roles seems archaic and outdated.

it sounds like you are suggesting that women should not be free to make their own choices and to be fully participating members of society, is that a fair assessement of your view?

element only for man to use for their needs, you may know what needs they need? i would not point out again, i tell you that, in a report this is not im saying this is from the American agency and it is old report, that in every 32 seconds a woman is raped, this is what we say is respect?

that the American legal system makes its records public is the problem that you are having. how many women are raped in Islamic socieites? there was even a very recent case where a woman and man were both gang raped in Saudi Arabia and the woman was punished!!! the rapists were let go and the man that was sodomized was put into prison!! can you imagine that?! being the victim of a hate crime and put into prison for it.

why, however, would you focus on the negative? do you think that it supports your point? you are not so keen to have people focus on the negative parts of Islam as you, i think, indicated that this gives people the wrong view of Islam. i would suggest the same to you, focusing on the negative aspects of Western socieites will lead you to the wrong view.

ask you agian from an example if their is two sister both twins okay they are extremely beautiful equally, one is in western clothes like mini skirts, or some thing like that and other is in Islamic Hijab, fully covered in head to bottom tell me if they were walking on the road and in the road side some gang of the people would be standing tell me to whom they will look with bad view bad intentions a sister covered in the Hijab or other in western mini skirts? you know the answer.

yes, i do. but i don't think that you do.

the problem is not with the women but with the men for having such lustful and bad intentions. if you are seriously suggesting that men do not look at women in hijabs with lust or bad intent then you are seriously deluding yourself.

I was not saying this about all the non-Muslims rather i also knew that the vegetarian part was for vegetarian only.

i think you indicated that this was a question asked by all Indians, not all Indian non-Muslims, even though i presumed that is what you were talking about. in any event, it is only vegetarians that would be concerned about such things not all Indians.

I say yes Quran is not any scientific text but saying so i would also like to say Quran is book of signs not science

thank you!

i would ask that, since you agree, that you not fall into the Muslim apologists trap of thinking Al Qur'an is a science book? it only reflects poorly upon Al Qur'an.

and again saying so if i would ask you tell me any point in Quran which is against science, which have been proven and established not a theory or hypothesis, Quran have no scientific errors, Quran have so many scientific signs you can not even think.

i have no desire to educate you on the Scientific Method nor why your use of the terms "theory" and "hypothesis" are incorrect.

i will tell you this. if you think that a nebula is smoke then you don't know what smoke is nor what nebula are.

i said that it increase misconception about Islam how,

not all western media does this. you realize that Al Jazzera is broadcasting in the West, right?

You know i can have told about so many points regarding things that Muslims are not terrorists, I would say may be some would but they are very fewer in number then non-Muslims, this tag is completely given to Muslims, why?

i think this is your own view. there are plenty of terrorists that are not Muslims, the IRA for instance, are not Muslims. Action Direct are not Muslim, the Red Brigade are not Muslim. terrorists that declare themselves to be Muslim are Muslim terrorists.

you would ask any example 9/11 is the example it wasn't done by any Muslims rather by non-Muslims.

yet Muslims claim to have done it. you can argue with them about whether or not they are Muslims.

i think your view of the Muslim terrorist issue is clouded by your affiliation to the tradition. of course not all terrorists are Muslims nor are all Muslims terrorists. i would be happy to read, though shocked, any major media publication that was stating that all Muslims were terrorists. i don't think that there are any but, if you can show me, i will write letters to their editors and explain how they are incorrect.

metta,

~v

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by Azure24

This alone is the most "dawah" (proselytizing) thing I've read in this forum for a long time.



Judging from what you said further up above I don't think thats all you want to do...



You also claim you have found "Errors in the Bible" on one of your threads.



Oh look! He does not know much about Buddhism! Is that why you said:



Tell me islamis4u (even your name gives out the wrong signals), what other religions don't you know about?



If a woman decides to wear a mini skirt, that is her choice isn't it? How is this disrespect? What IS disrespect is FORCING a woman what to wear...



Has more points? Probably no. The same points? Yes (though I must say apart from the Hijab thing...)

You know when you say there's alot of misconceptions about Islam, you brought up something in my head. So I have a question for you (islamis4u).

I once told a friend (who is a muslim) why don't you protest about what is going on (9/11, 7/7 and what have you...)?

and you know what they said?:

"There is no need to start protesting, we do not need to protest about something people have done. They are not themselves muslims if they have done this".

This is probably true, but if muslims would have done this. They would have shown the whole world that Islam does not stand for this.

I then said:

"But look what happened when that picture was published by the Danish newspapers depicting Muhammed. That did not stop muslims from angrily protesting (burning things and such) then though didn't it?"

So I ask you: if muslims did not protest during the Terrorist attacks, to show eveyone they did not stand for it. Why did they then protest (and quite violently) during those publishing of the cartoon pictures?

First its not the way of talking with some one else okay this is friendly forums!!!


About the contradictions in Bible i say i have contradictions in Bible, and Quran Alhamdulilah have non if you have any tell me?

I havn't said anything about Buddhism. I said i wasn't to know about Buddhism.

Their are so amny other names which our religion do not allow to read but i do not say anything okay i will right it in an arabic next time you would not understand it and you will then not point it out.

It was said that western culture is not negative i aid it is this is western culture if it is not then tell me what is western culture or give me any example? or what western culture have given the humanity to solve probs?

Lastly many Muslims are unaware you know i agree many Muslims, you know that this thing did not come in Media much, You know by showing fake videos of the Muslims you start on doing this and that!!!!!! Our respect to us is much lesser then Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), we can not listen a word against Him(pbuh) truly saying we can die for it and also can do anything and then you will pointing me out that look you are extremist. This is love for your Prophet(pbuh)

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by greymare

I am sorry for my basic english. I do type with little regard for who is reading it .I am sorry. My question is this. In your opinion how would a woman be regarded if she was the mother of some children and she had not ever married. I am curious to know how this woman would live under muslim life. and would her children be accepted in the community. Where I live, it is a almost normal situation. It doesnt make this woman a bad person to me. What do you think?

All the mistake is not yours but i bit mine also i also have lil poor english.
Sister(i think you are female), the thing is that just take an example God Forbide, that you have a brother whom you love very much but a girl she married have already children without marrying anyone else.

I would be clear if a man or woman have been proved to have done NON-MARITAL SEX he or she would be sentenced to have 80 lashes according to Islamic Law. You would say it is barbaric i would tell you this is equal for both man and woman , if woman has not played a part in it or man with pressure did that than man will be stoned to death and the woman would be said nothing and would have same respect.
No difference between man and woman. If you see if one person is sentenced to death like this it will decrease this kind of act this brings shame to a family. If one is sentenced then no one other would think of doing this it is wrong in Islam.

Having said so i tell you a story, a Companion of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) came to Him(pbuh) and said i he have committed sex other then his wife and he asked for punishment... you know what He(pbuh) that you should hided this and would have asked forgiveness from God Almighty and Allah Almighty have forgive him and he would have saved from this punishment. This tells us not some Muslim which have done premarital sex, and this is not revealed to any of other then them two he or she if ask Forgiveness from Allah Almighty and with a thing in mind that he or she will not do it again they will be saved from punishment and will get forgiveness.

It is also in bible about a woman committing adultery

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste Islamis4u,

thank you for the post.

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it teaches them directly to students through the Suttas and through the instruction of monks and nuns. if you are asking about specific teachings regarding these things i could find those for you if necessary though you'd need to narrow down your question a bit.

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that's not a question, that's a statement. one which is demonstrably false, i may add.

respect for any being comes from the individual being.




the right to vote. the right to self determination, the right to determine how they want to live their lives, for starters.

it is the same that independence for males allows for. seperating human beings by their gender into society roles seems archaic and outdated.

it sounds like you are suggesting that women should not be free to make their own choices and to be fully participating members of society, is that a fair assessement of your view?



that the American legal system makes its records public is the problem that you are having. how many women are raped in Islamic socieites? there was even a very recent case where a woman and man were both gang raped in Saudi Arabia and the woman was punished!!! the rapists were let go and the man that was sodomized was put into prison!! can you imagine that?! being the victim of a hate crime and put into prison for it.

why, however, would you focus on the negative? do you think that it supports your point? you are not so keen to have people focus on the negative parts of Islam as you, i think, indicated that this gives people the wrong view of Islam. i would suggest the same to you, focusing on the negative aspects of Western socieites will lead you to the wrong view.



yes, i do. but i don't think that you do.

the problem is not with the women but with the men for having such lustful and bad intentions. if you are seriously suggesting that men do not look at women in hijabs with lust or bad intent then you are seriously deluding yourself.



i think you indicated that this was a question asked by all Indians, not all Indian non-Muslims, even though i presumed that is what you were talking about. in any event, it is only vegetarians that would be concerned about such things not all Indians.



thank you!

i would ask that, since you agree, that you not fall into the Muslim apologists trap of thinking Al Qur'an is a science book? it only reflects poorly upon Al Qur'an.



i have no desire to educate you on the Scientific Method nor why your use of the terms "theory" and "hypothesis" are incorrect.

i will tell you this. if you think that a nebula is smoke then you don't know what smoke is nor what nebula are.



not all western media does this. you realize that Al Jazzera is broadcasting in the West, right?



i think this is your own view. there are plenty of terrorists that are not Muslims, the IRA for instance, are not Muslims. Action Direct are not Muslim, the Red Brigade are not Muslim. terrorists that declare themselves to be Muslim are Muslim terrorists.



yet Muslims claim to have done it. you can argue with them about whether or not they are Muslims.

i think your view of the Muslim terrorist issue is clouded by your affiliation to the tradition. of course not all terrorists are Muslims nor are all Muslims terrorists. i would be happy to read, though shocked, any major media publication that was stating that all Muslims were terrorists. i don't think that there are any but, if you can show me, i will write letters to their editors and explain how they are incorrect.

metta,

~v

One example about Islam i would like to give is that we stand side by side in the mosque their is no distinction in color rich poor or race all are equal to Allah Almighty, we are said to join or foot with each other, we should join our shoulder as much as we could who ever stand beside you, like this one you have? Practically.

About choice of which of her husband she have, but about clothes it is little specific that it should not make opposite sex attract towards her.





sorry but i will reply other later i have a head ache right now here it is 4.09am and may be my reply would come later because of my studies schedule i have.

[Dah-veeth]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

One wonderful thing in islam is that Islam believes in all the prophet and Islam is only religion that have respect for Jesus(pbuh) other then Christian themselves.

I do love Islam (and Christianity (and Judaism)) and... and...

Baha'is believe Jesus is the Messiah, just as it says in the Qur'an. It's often translated with a lower-case "m," but Arabic doesn't have upper and lower-case.

Solution for humanity?

Love Muslims and Jews!
Love Christians and Hindus!
Love Buddhsts and Baha'is!
Love humanity and there will be unity!

[Azure24]

Yeah! just like my favourite quote:

"My nationality is the world, my religion is to do good!"

[Dah-veeth]

Originally Posted by Azure24

Yeah! just like my favourite quote:

"My nationality is the world, my religion is to do good!"

I love it!

That reminds me of three quotes, I hope you don't mind...

"The earth is but one country, and mankind its citizens." -Baha'u'llah

"Ye dwell in one world, and have been created through the operation of one Will. Blessed is he who mingleth with all men in a spirit of utmost kindliness and love." -Baha'u'llah

"God's purpose in sending His Prophets unto men is twofold. The first is to liberate the children of men from the darkness of ignorance, and guide them to the light of true understanding. The second is to ensure the peace and tranquillity of mankind, and provide all the means by which they can be established." -Baha'u'llah

[greymare]

thank you for replying islamis4u to my question. Under islamic law, I would be dead. I find the bible interesting reading as well, but I am not committed to any faith so, the only higher power that I answer to is myself ( and my mum) . But, thank you for you honest anwswer.

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by greymare

thank you for replying islamis4u to my question. Under islamic law, I would be dead. I find the bible interesting reading as well, but I am not committed to any faith so, the only higher power that I answer to is myself ( and my mum) . But, thank you for you honest anwswer.

I welcome you and about answering okay right it is your view.

[bananabrain]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

I would be clear if a man or woman have been proved to have done NON-MARITAL SEX he or she would be sentenced to have 80 lashes according to Islamic Law. You would say it is barbaric i would tell you this is equal for both man and woman, if woman has not played a part in it or man with pressure did that than man will be stoned to death and the woman would be said nothing and would have same respect.
No difference between man and woman.

as you say - no difference. it is a barbaric sentence applied to either sex. this really doesn't help your argument. and what happens if one of the people involved can't be lashed for medical reasons? can one be fined instead?

If you see if one person is sentenced to death like this it will decrease this kind of act this brings shame to a family. If one is sentenced then no one other would think of doing this it is wrong in Islam.

gosh, what a nice guy. so you're going to have people killed as a deterrent. they do that a lot in the US - and in iran. there's no evidence it stops people committing crimes. as for "it brings shame to a family" - my family would never want me killed for bringing shame to it and if your family would then i don't think much of them. this is exactly what i meant in the other thread when i said pakistan was a basket case. until people grown the hell up and act like adults the cycle of stupid, retributory violence will continue. and you think this is "islamic"? my G!D, muhammad must be spinning in his grave, surely this isn't what he had in mind. what an appalling way to think.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[greymare]

now that ive given it some thought i have realized that I dont have to be concerned about being stoned to death at all if I was in Pakistan. I wouldnt have been born either as my mother wasnt married when she had me. so, she would have been stoned to death first. I like to think that my mum and myself have made a contribution to this planet that would have otherwise been lacking. Its a pity that death is the result of unmarital sexual activity in your country, especially when it is something of an overrated pasttime. LOL. I am very lucky to be born in this country, and to be brought up by the best parents in the world. I hope I have the same luck next time around. LOL.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Azure24

Ok, then "telling".

No I agree in SOME forms they are perhaps forced or told... But the real way of Islam, I would say "choose".....