smoking

[Snoopy]

OK.....and the 1000 times a day bit?......

s.

[China Cat Sunflower]

I can handle the nicotine withdrawals, but giving up the habit is what's so hard. It goes with so many things. I break up a my work day into smoke breaks. I smoke after I eat. I smoke while I drink beer. I smoke when I'm thinking hard about something. I smoke after sex. I have a smoke when I get up in the morning. It's the habit of it that I can't seem to kick.

Chris

[wil]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

I can handle the nicotine withdrawals, but giving up the habit is what's so hard. It goes with so many things. I break up a my work day into smoke breaks. I smoke after I eat. I smoke while I drink beer. I smoke when I'm thinking hard about something. I smoke after sex. I have a smoke when I get up in the morning. It's the habit of it that I can't seem to kick.

Chris

Yes smoking has not only the nicotine, internal addiction but also the social and physical... I know folks that fought that by using cheap vit c, they put it in their cig pack and anytime they wanted a cigarette they pulled out the pack and a c and let it roll around in their mouth...the hand/mouth fixation, the habit of reaching for the pack, the rawness on the throat and mouth all assisted by the Vit C. ain't the same but worth a try...

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth

But now as far as bible study goes there are thousands of varieties of schools that teach bible study, bible interpretation, bible history...etc..

And each and every one of them claim to be the school that is teaching accurately what the passages in the bible say to us today.

But I thought this was the Politics Thread? So since there exists a JW way to quit which seems to be marketing guised as a public/community service. I'm wondering what other denominations/sects/religions have similar avenues of recruitment/marketing ie promoting some seemingly secular benefit to get their foot in the door?

what does it say on the pack of cigs is what i meant.

[wil]

Originally Posted by mee

what does it say on the pack of cigs is what i meant.

Originally Posted by mee

WHAT DOES IT SAY ON THE PACK? this is what the bible says...

hmmm don't know how I misunderstood...

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

hmmm don't know how I misunderstood...

JOHN 17;3 says taking in knowledge of the true God and Jesus christ leads to everlasting life. but the pack of cigs says .... smoking can seriously damage our health ,

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

JOHN 17;3 says taking in knowledge of the true God and Jesus christ leads to everlasting life. but the pack of cigs says .... smoking can seriously damage our health ,

Everlasting? Forever is a long time without a smoke!! I dont get why some people seem to think forever is a great gift. Seems to me most people cant even fill this brief life with anything but mundane existence.. an eternity of that is surely the greatest Hell imaginable.

Tao

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Everlasting? Forever is a long time without a smoke!! I dont get why some people seem to think forever is a great gift. Seems to me most people cant even fill this brief life with anything but mundane existence.. an eternity of that is surely the greatest Hell imaginable.

Tao

its good that the bible promises greater things than this imperfect life we have right now, the bible does not promise everlasting life in an inperfect world or body , it promises everlasting life in a paradise earth and a perfect body, with no inherited sin atached to it . the bible does not say that we will be living for ever in a mundane existence .
The new world will be a world without end because "to the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end." (Isaiah 9:7)

But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,

And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.psalm 37;11
(Matthew 5:5) "Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.
(Revelation 21:3) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: "Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them.

[mee]

Governments and the medical profession do well in issuing warnings. But the final result depends on the individual. As the Bible says: "The way of the foolish one is right in his own eyes, but the one listening to counsel is wise." (Proverbs 12:15) Are you listening?

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by mee

if i am a slave to the bible it is good to know that putting the bible and its ways into pratice leads to everlasting life.

You don't $"%"£$%" know that though lol! YOU HOPE that is what will happen lol... You do not, do not, know that

Originally Posted by mee

WHAT DOES IT SAY ON THE PACK?

Who cares? I enjoy it Maybe it will bring me everlasting life! Who knows?

[wil]

Originally Posted by mee

JOHN 17;3 says taking in knowledge of the true God and Jesus christ leads to everlasting life. but the pack of cigs says .... smoking can seriously damage our health ,

Originally Posted by mee

Governments and the medical profession do well in issuing warnings. But the final result depends on the individual. As the Bible says: "The way of the foolish one is right in his own eyes, but the one listening to counsel is wise." (Proverbs 12:15) Are you listening?

Yes, I am listening...two questions...

A number of religions and denominations consider committing suicide a sin. So what is the JW take on that....if you know that smoking cigarettes will take your life prematurely...is that suicide and a mortal sin?

Second, if not do you think that one will be coughing and hacking for all eternity? I mean isn't your concept that we will not have these earthly issues? So if so, and I enjoy a smoke....what's not to like?

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by wil

Yes, I am listening...two questions...

A number of religions and denominations consider committing suicide a sin. So what is the JW take on that....if you know that smoking cigarettes will take your life prematurely...is that suicide and a mortal sin?

Second, if not do you think that one will be coughing and hacking for all eternity? I mean isn't your concept that we will not have these earthly issues? So if so, and I enjoy a smoke....what's not to like?

Wil.... JW's are PRO life... To kill yourself is frowned upon lol.... If you are suicidal or something they ain't gonna look at you like "FREAKING SINN0R!" They would try to help, but death solves nothing right.... So they do not accept suicide as a way to die.... They are prepared to die... (blood transfusions? And such.) But you cannot kill yourself... Irony eh? That they would rather kill themselves then take blood... But to kill yourself cause you stained your bib or broke a toy or lost someone in your life or whatever.... Isn't good enough reason.

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

its good that the bible promises greater things than this imperfect life we have right now, the bible does not promise everlasting life in an inperfect world or body , it promises everlasting life in a paradise earth and a perfect body, with no inherited sin atached to it . the bible does not say that we will be living for ever in a mundane existence .
The new world will be a world without end because "to the abundance of the princely rule and to peace there will be no end." (Isaiah 9:7)

But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,

And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.psalm 37;11
(Matthew 5:5) "Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.
(Revelation 21:3) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: "Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his peoples. And God himself will be with them.

Without sin? I take it there will be no opportunity to enjoy vices in this paradise then. So its not paradise, its a boring eternal stewing in the kind of glossy pictures of the Watchtower. Paradise is not perfection and perfection is not paradise. When you fall in love with someone it is often their little imperfections that emphasise time and again how much you adore them. When you fall in love with a place it will be in spite of its deficiencies. And each of us as well as falling in love can equally fall out of love. If eternity is a stasis of perfection it is a dead place devoid of the dynamics that make life worth living. I think the picture you paint on behalf of JW naive wishful thinking. There are some that say you get what you expect, I hope for your sake that whatever it is, if anything, its a bit more fun than an endless picnic in some impossibly idyllic meadow.

Tao

[greymare]

I used to smoke a packet of 30 a day. One day I got the flu and just couldnt stop coughing, not even to light up. boy, was I pissed. I threw out the half a packet I had left and that was it. I'm not saying that anyone else should do it like I did. Or even if they should give up smoking. I still feel like a smoke when I have a drink, though and if someone was around that smoked, I'd probably bum one off them , who knows. If you want to give up, do it. If you dont, then dont. preaching to people about giving up things that they obviously enjoy is only going to fall on deaf ears.

Another thing, a friend of mine in her 50s was diagnosed with aggressive lung cancer recently. She was obviously upset and came to see me before her surgery. I was not surprised that she had cancer and as sshe was still smoking I told her that I was amazed that she was surprised as well. You know, the old story, she has smoked (various things probably) all her life, a packet a day, blah blah. I said, well. yeah of course you have lung cancer. Now to be perfectly honest with you, we have always been very blunt with each other and I ;think this has made our friendship strong. She said that she asked the doctor if she should give up smoking now and he said, oh well, the damage has been done!!!!!!!!!!! I was pissed by what this so called professional ahd told her. my message to her was, as long as you are breathing, you are alive. She had a choice to give up smoking and fight this cancer or give up. Yes, she is still around, not smoking eating healthy but she has some pretty nasty scars on her front and back. It was her choice, not mine, not her doctors. all Im saying is , if you wanna smoke, go ahead, you all know the dangers, so dont be surprised. love the grey

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by greymare

I used to smoke a packet of 30 a day. One day I got the flu and just couldnt stop coughing, not even to light up. boy, was I pissed.

See everyone is different, I currently have a cold and still fitter than all I know..... And -trust- me, I be a heavy smoker.......

Originally Posted by greymare

If you want to give up, do it. If you dont, then dont. preaching to people about giving up things that they obviously enjoy is only going to fall on deaf ears.

Every, every single time... It makes you want to do naughty things to the person trying to PUSH their whiney lil opinon and views on you........ Very naughty....

Originally Posted by greymare

Another thing, a friend of mine in her 50s was diagnosed with aggressive lung cancer recently. She was obviously upset and came to see me before her surgery. I was not surprised that she had cancer and as sshe was still smoking I told her that I was amazed that she was surprised as well. You know, the old story, she has smoked (various things probably) all her life, a packet a day, blah blah. I said, well. yeah of course you have lung cancer. Now to be perfectly honest with you, we have always been very blunt with each other and I ;think this has made our friendship strong. She said that she asked the doctor if she should give up smoking now and he said, oh well, the damage has been done!!!!!!!!!!! I was pissed by what this so called professional ahd told her. my message to her was, as long as you are breathing, you are alive. She had a choice to give up smoking and fight this cancer or give up. Yes, she is still around, not smoking eating healthy but she has some pretty nasty scars on her front and back. It was her choice, not mine, not her doctors. all Im saying is , if you wanna smoke, go ahead, you all know the dangers, so dont be surprised. love the grey

May of sounded harsh, but the doctor has to be honest lol... He cannot tip toe around or make things seem better/worse than they are... He has to be professional... Sorry to hear about your friend.