shaking womens hands

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by bloodnf

There is a difference of opinion among muslims as to whether shaking the hands of the opposite member is allowed or not. However since belief is a personal matter it is up to each individual what they believe in and what restrictions they observe.

I have found that the Danes seem to be deliberately confrontational with muslims. If a person's religion forbids him to shake hands with a Woman than that restriction should be respected.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503546332

that was kind of the question, which is, is shaking hands a personal and religious belief, or is it an actual religious belief? i think you said two conflicting things in your post, you said it is a personal matter of belief, then you said it was religion that may forbid them? could it be that personal and cultural beliefs have swayed scripture, if any, that pertains to this matter into something its really not? just shaking hands can be for business and political reasons, can it not? it doesnt mean you are going to marry or have thoughts of marrying hillary clinton or whoever has their hand out, does it? are not women equal to strike deals and shake on it?

[thipps]

Originally Posted by bloodnf

There is a difference of opinion among muslims as to whether shaking the hands of the opposite member is allowed or not.

In light of the evidence presented by another poster, i find that very difficult to believe. I would be interested in knowing on what basis does this difference occur.

However since belief is a personal matter it is up to each individual what they believe in and what restrictions they observe.

No doubt true that it is upto people to observe a restriction or not, but this does not decide what is the truth of the matter in Islam.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503546332

The link didnt work. Could you please check it?

[Yaqinud Din]

All four sunni Madhhabs agree that it is Haraam

[bloodnf]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

that was kind of the question, which is, is shaking hands a personal and religious belief, or is it an actual religious belief? i think you said two conflicting things in your post, you said it is a personal matter of belief, then you said it was religion that may forbid them? could it be that personal and cultural beliefs have swayed scripture, if any, that pertains to this matter into something its really not? just shaking hands can be for business and political reasons, can it not? it doesnt mean you are going to marry or have thoughts of marrying hillary clinton or whoever has their hand out, does it? are not women equal to strike deals and shake on it?

I meant that religion and religious proscriptions are a matter of personal belief. If a person believes thtat their religion prohibits shaking hands with the member of the opposite sex, what gives anyone else the right to force the person to compromise his beliefs?

[bloodnf]

Originally Posted by thipps

In light of the evidence presented by another poster, i find that very difficult to believe. I would be interested in knowing on what basis does this difference occur.

No doubt true that it is upto people to observe a restriction or not, but this does not decide what is the truth of the matter in Islam.

The link didnt work. Could you please check it?

I checked Islam Online on this matter and found the following which I felt was a good summation.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503546332

[Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine]

Stupid question here: how would I, as a female, acknowledge a Muslim male without creating a situation of "haraam"? Is bowing (such as is practiced in Japan) acceptable? Is there a special "rite" that is practiced? I have quite a few instances where I have to interact with Muslim men (including my primary care doctor) and I don't want to cause undue tensions.

Sorry for my stupid question.

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by bloodnf

I checked Islam Online on this matter and found the following which I felt was a good summation.

http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/S...=1119503546332

Thank you for the link. It seems there is nothing to stop a handshake as long as there is no desire or fear of desire. Glad thats cleared up

[PluckyAli]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Thank you for the link. It seems there is nothing to stop a handshake as long as there is no desire or fear of desire. Glad thats cleared up

I have been going through this conversation and found some heated discussion and strict environment.However i am happy this discussion is going to end well and islamonline.net has cleared so many misconceptions I had about islam.Whoever posted that link was indeed a peace maker.

p.ali

[thipps]

Originally Posted by Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

Stupid question here: how would I, as a female, acknowledge a Muslim male without creating a situation of "haraam"? Is bowing (such as is practiced in Japan) acceptable? Is there a special "rite" that is practiced? I have quite a few instances where I have to interact with Muslim men (including my primary care doctor) and I don't want to cause undue tensions.

Sorry for my stupid question.

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

No bowing Phyllis. Dont offer your hand. Just say hello. Give a slight nod of the head even if you like. The question isnt stupid.

[Yaqinud Din]

Lets take a look at the 4 Madhhabs

The Hanafi madhhab:

Ibn Nujaym said:

It is not permissible for a man to touch a woman’s face or hands even if there is no risk of desire because it is haraam in principle and there is no necessity that would allow it.

Al-Bahr al-Raa’iq, 8/219


The Maaliki madhhab:
Muhammad ibn Ahmad (‘Ulaysh) said:

It is not permissible for a man to touch the face or hand of a non-mahram woman, and it is not permissible for him to put his hand on hers without a barrier. ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) never accepted a woman’s oath of allegiance by shaking hands with her; rather he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to accept their oath of allegiance by words only.” According to another report, “His hand never touched the hand of a woman, rather he would accept their oath of allegiance by words only.”

(Manh al-Jaleel Sharh Mukhtasar Khaleel, 1/223)

The Shaafa’i madhhab:
Al-Nawawi said:

It is not permissible to touch a woman in any way.

Al-Majmoo’, 4/515.

Wali al-Deen al-‘Iraaqi said:

This indicates that the hand of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not touch the hand of any woman apart from his wives and concubines, whether in the case of accepting the oath of allegiance or in other cases. If he did not do that despite the fact that he was infallible and beyond suspicion, then it is even more essential that others heed this prohibition. It appears from the texts that he refrained from doing that because it was haraam for him to do so. The fuqaha’ among our companions and others said that it is haraam to touch a non-mahram woman even if that is not touching parts of her body that are not ‘awrah, such as her face. But they differed with regard to looking when there is no desire and no fear of fitnah. The prohibition on touching is stronger than the prohibition on looking, and it is haraam when there is no necessity that would allow it. If it is the case of necessity, e.g. medical treatment, removing a tooth or treating the eyes, etc., if there is no woman who can do that, then it is permissible for a non-mahram to do that because it is the case of necessity.

Tarh al-Tathreeb, 7/45, 46

The Hanbali madhhab

Ibn Muflih said:

Abu ‘Abd-Allaah – i.e., Imam Ahmad – was asked about a man who shakes hands with a woman. He said, No, and was emphatic that it is haraam. I said, Should he shake hands with her from beneath his garment? He said, No.

Shaykh Taqiy al-Deen also favoured the view that it is prohibited, and gave the reason that touching is more serious than looking.

AlAdaab al-Shar’iyyah, 2/257

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Thank you for the link. It seems there is nothing to stop a handshake as long as there is no desire or fear of desire. Glad thats cleared up

yes i agree, i feel that answered my question. thanx for the link. working with students at a college, i know many muslims women, we shake hands, smile and talk and they are very friendly with me. its a nice place.

[Yaqinud Din]

No Muslim man is to shake hands with a non mahram women. I don't like Islam online this website is trying to make Islam look good to the west by watering down Islam so people in the west will feel all happy inside. They also say Muslims can play Music and go to movies both are also Haraam.

[bloodnf]

Originally Posted by Yaqinud Din

No Muslim man is to shake hands with a non mahram women. I don't like Islam online this website is trying to make Islam look good to the west by watering down Islam so people in the west will feel all happy inside. They also say Muslims can play Music and go to movies both are also Haraam.

That is your understanding. Not every muslim believes as you do.

[BlaznFattyz]

[quote=They also say Muslims can play Music and go to movies both are also Haraam. [/QUOTE] reminds me of that movie footloose... anyone see that?

[thipps]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

reminds me of that movie footloose... anyone see that?

I havent seen it but i know what its about. And still, this sounds more like a deriding post than anything else. Lets try to keep focused by posting constructively.