Sexism

[Geist]

I'm not sure, Quahom, but I think (based on the start of this thread) that Geist is male... and having gone through a few rounds of custody here, one could certainly get the impression that many folks believe fathers aren't needed... an impression reinforced by some of the TV portrayals...

I'm Female to be honest.

And my comment was not meant to be rude it was just a point of view and I'm sorry if you don't like it but its mine and you not have to listen to it if you don't want to.

In my eyes a father isn't always needed to make a family. I know lots of people whos Father legged it while they're mother's were preganant and they've turned out to be nice decent people. Which is the reason for my comment.

I am also in the frame of mind to say that a mother isn't always needed to raise a child. Its nice to have two perants I'm not saying that but its not always necissary(SP?).

[Silverbackman]

I am pretty annoyed by feminist of today mainly because they are arguing about nothing. Women in the West have all the same rights men do, and as the author of this thread said, women sometimes even have more rights than men (ie getting better deals in jewlry or better policies.

And feminist have become so anti-male that women don't have the equal wrongs as well. Take the runaway bride for instance in Eastern USA. She had a panic attack, ran away from her house right before marriage and lied to the police and said that she was kidnapped. She wasted so many peoples time and money for her search and when she comes back, everybody feels sympothy for her and when she said something bad about her husband everyone hounded her husband at something very minor and payed less attention at the bride. As if anyone will feel bad for the groom, since he is nothing more than a cold-hearted man.

Women can have all the rights they want, they need to also have the equal wrongs.

[Kaspar]

Geist says that we dont need fathers, and that two parents are unnecessary.

Well the way I see it our society (the relationships humans have built up father mother etc) are the way nature has worked out. Humans reproduce by sexual reproduction. That means you need a man and a female to make offspring.

Now I think the best way to lead a good life that works is to LOOK at the Laws of nature and just get used to them. There are Males and Females across the world, and i think having children is a very big change that happends to your life. If we start excluding people from this stage of their lives they aren't goin to learn or experience what its like. If we say only females are allowed to look after children and Males can go and drink their booze and watch the match we are goin to end up with perhaps very tired females, and insensitive males who dont know how to look after children.

I believe that History and the study of Society will tell us that, in deeply divided societies with unequal balance of freedom or things which make up our lives people do funny things. They dont act with full sense or understanding.

...another interesting trend is that children often tend to lead the lives their role models lead. In the case of alot of children if their parents are split up or if they live in a single sex household they will be unaccustomed to relating to those people.

I think this is in the bible something of the sort, "the sins of the forfathers will be passed on to the children."

People are afraid of change naturally even if it could bring something better.

I think the issue of sexism is a big one that is linked to racism and discrimination. I think the solution is for people to be more concious of how they respect people around them whether they are of a different sex, race or age. However its sort of a cycle because if people are respected they respect back and if people see hate they tend to hate back. Another natural thing.

Another influencing factor to sexism is your own stability. In my opinion when Geist said.

I am as abnormal as they come and believe me it doesn't always work out good. Sometimes I wish I was the normal parsona of a teenager just so I can fit in.

Its obvious you need some more stability in your life. People who except you for who you are and like you. I know what it feels like to be a reject and im sure everyone in this form does aswell but thats part of life. Finding out who you are and picking yourself up.

at the end of the day we are surrounded by disrespect, exploitation, stupidity, hatred etc and all we can do is understand it and move on. Move on and love, spread the word of respect and justice. It might sound cheesy but what vibe do you think nearly all religions are founded on?

Its the

the world is not working I want to live a better way

vibe

Respect Everyone
thanks if u read my post.

peace

[Geist]

Originally Posted by Silverbackman

I am pretty annoyed by feminist of today mainly because they are arguing about nothing.

Its not rights they are arguing about though its the way their male counterpart treat them. To be blunt I agree with them because its not exactly pleasant to be discriminated against because you can have children or your not as strong as men.

Originally Posted by Kasper

Well the way I see it our society (the relationships humans have built up father mother etc) are the way nature has worked out. Humans reproduce by sexual reproduction. That means you need a man and a female to make offspring.

You need a male and Female to make a child but not to raise it. Why do you think women are alot more intuned with their feelings? Its because they are compassionate so they can raise children.

If men were meant to stick around after fertilization nature would have made men lactate aswell as women so that both can help in raising children.

Let me ask a retorical question here if your a man. Are you in a relationship? Thats my first question and my secound one is:
Do you find other women attractive?

If so then this proves my hipothisis and that is:

The whole puropse of life is to keep your genes going and to do this you body subconsiasly picks out female potential partners; which also means that humans were not meant to stay with one partner. whom have similar characteristics to your own so there is a stronger chance of your own genes survival.

Its obvious you need some more stability in your life.

You really think so?
But I have two perants should my life be stable?
And you wouldn't believe that I did tell my mum that I wanted to go to a counciler because I thought my life was screwed up and she turned around and said oh its just a phase you'll get over it..

[brucegdc]

Geez, I'm regretting defending you earlier, Geist. Functionally, neither a mother nor a father is *needed* to raise a child. Even before today's technology of dried milk formula, there were wet nurses, cows, and goats...

Beyond that, either gender can parent - you're coming across terribly anti-male - which is as bigoted and hateful as the other way around.

And as for "in a relationship" and "looking at other potential partners" - look at the studies - as many women engage in extramarital affairs as guys - and it's probably always been this way - look at the wives of Henry VIII - yes, he had mistresses, but most of his wives also had paramours... and that's in a high-visibility "the woman must be pure" environment... likely the peasant family that didn't care as much about visibility was worse (and if you go back to documented Roman times, both genders were pretty much loose about their couplings...)

To your last comment - if you feel the need for counselling, then PLEASE get it. I don't know about Wales, but in the US & Canada, there are options open for teen (especially) counselling at low cost/no cost. It can definitely help

... Bruce

[Geist]

you're coming across terribly anti-male

What do expect when every single male aspect in my life uses me then discards me when they have had enough?

Do you think I'm just going to let it slide everytime and forget?

Well I'm sorry to say no I'm not. Beacuse everytime I give a peice of myself to that partner and its like its nothing to them! Do you think that feels good? It makes me feel like whore.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Geist

What do expect when every single male aspect in my life uses me then discards me when they have had enough?

Do you think I'm just going to let it slide everytime and forget?

Well I'm sorry to say no I'm not. Beacuse everytime I give a peice of myself to that partner and its like its nothing to them! Do you think that feels good? It makes me feel like whore.

Stop giving a piece of yourself. GOT IT?

WAIT. pray, figure yourself out, then maybe, Mr. Right will come along But be still already. You've been given so much advice, and I see you've been offered a way out. People have offered you a way out.

Now, you wallow in your own mud, or you pull up your boot straps and stand up. Don't bite the hand...remember that?

Enough.

you don't seem to want to be anywhere or do anything, but wallow in self pity. Really pathetic. How do you get out of this?

[Geist]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

you don't seem to want to be anywhere or do anything

I want to go into nursing pending the results I get in the summer I might or might have to go into Cadet nursing. I think thats doing something don't you?

Stop giving a piece of yourself. GOT IT?

WAIT. pray, figure yourself out.

I've been parying for 10 years! Nothing happens. I know myself better than anyone else what is there to figure out?

Now, you wallow in your own mud, or you pull up your boot straps and stand up. Don't bite the hand...remember that?

DON'T refer to me like a dog again.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Geist

I want to go into nursing pending the results I get in the summer I might or might have to go into Cadet nursing. I think thats doing something don't you?


I've been parying for 10 years! Nothing happens. I know myself better than anyone else what is there to figure out?


DON'T refer to me like a dog again.

DON'T refer to us here at CR as a bunch of morons who have never been where you feel yourself to be, ever again. Many of of us have been places you never want to know about.

You don't want to listen, you just want to rant. You think you have all the answers?

Well, I guess you are too damn smart for us adult, idiots, that take no responsibliity for the welfare of others.

If I wanted to call you a dog, I would have called you a dog...specifically.

Tuck your heart back into your sleeve, before it gets really bruised. You Geist, bring a lot of your own pain, upon yourself, then wonder why?

No one can walk in another's shoes and survive a mile to tell about it. But you haven' walked in anyone's shoes but your own, either...and others here have similar stories to tell, and they did overcome. It wasn't easy, but they did it anyway.

You consider that, Miss.

v/r

Q

[brucegdc]

Originally Posted by Geist

What do expect when every single male aspect in my life uses me then discards me when they have had enough?

Do you think I'm just going to let it slide everytime and forget?

Well I'm sorry to say no I'm not. Beacuse everytime I give a peice of myself to that partner and its like its nothing to them! Do you think that feels good? It makes me feel like whore.

Geist - please. Call a hotline and get some help. Your mother is wrong. This is not "just a phase" - it's a big problem (or at least sounds like it could be - either way, talk to someone who can help).

I don't talk a lot about my background on line - for various reasons. However, please take it on faith that I know a fair bit about how you're feeling (invert gender and it's just as painful). Please, check with a professional - what you're saying says you need to talk, and a religious bulletin board isn't quite the place...the turnaround time makes conversations tough...

I did a quick search, and I think UK toll-free numbers are also accessable from Wales (sorry if I'm wrong - being on the left side of the pond makes it hard to know..) - some contacts are (I think it's toll free)

Supportline UK
(020) 8554 9004
A confidential telephone helpline which provides support to any individual with any issue.

Youth2Youth Helpline - UK
020 8896 3675
A confidential helpline for youth run by youth.

Youth Access - UK
0208 772 9900
A helpline for youth that puts them in touch with services in their area and counselors.


.... Bruce