Sex, Marriage and Biblical Prohibition

[brucegdc]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

be careful.

A good question, though - *is* there a biblical prohibition of sex outside of marriage? From the commandments, it's coveting your neighbors wife that's an issue - not wanting to do the horizontal mambo with the girl next door..

The rabbinical definition of *******y, if I recall correctly, is a child of a union that is not permitted by law - so a kid out of wedlock isn't a *******...

May be better off in a new thread, though - this title is misleading (and inflammatory).

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by brucegdc

A good question, though - *is* there a biblical prohibition of sex outside of marriage? From the commandments, it's coveting your neighbors wife that's an issue - not wanting to do the horizontal mambo with the girl next door..

The rabbinical definition of *******y, if I recall correctly, is a child of a union that is not permitted by law - so a kid out of wedlock isn't a *******...

May be better off in a new thread, though - this title is misleading (and inflammatory).

Well the only thing I can find is not commiting adultery. However that is the english wording. The original concept seems to have a different meaning of sorts in the OT. In the NT, Jesus did say if one even looks at another with desire, that was adultery in one's heart. Probably because within one's mind begins the potential for reality?

And your right. Things are getting a little hot around here...

v/r

Q

[Faithfulservant]

SEXUAL ADULTERY -- "Conjugal infidelity. An adulterer was a man who had sexual intercourse with a woman he was not married to, either a married woman or one who was engaged to be married. A woman who did the same thing was an adulteress. Adultery is fornication. The Bible regards adultery as a great sin and a great social wrong.

Adultery without sexual intercourse -- Jesus Christ warned, "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart." As with the breaking of any of the Ten Commandments, those who are not washed in the blood of Jesus Christ will have to pay the penalty. They will not enter the Kingdom of God. Punishment for transgression of this Commandment is the death penalty.

I think fornication is the word we are looking for

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 & 1 Corinthians 7:1-2
"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's. Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband."

Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honorable among all, and the bed undefiled; but fornicators and adulterers God will judge.

1 Thess 4:3-5 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality; that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor, not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God;

[truthseeker]

Originally Posted by brucegdc

The rabbinical definition of *******y, if I recall correctly, is a child of a union that is not permitted by law - so a kid out of wedlock isn't a *******...

Marriage is a union recognized by law. If the union hasn't been recognized, then it hasn't been permitted. The kid would, then, be a *******.

[brucegdc]

Actually, no. A ******* can only arise if the parents are legally *unable* to marry - not merely that they are not married to each other. There's a heck of a difference between "not permitted" and something that hasn't happened.

[truthseeker]

So that would mean that a child resulting from an extramarital affair would be a ******* versus a child who just doesn't have the father's last name.

[Abogado del Diablo]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I think fornication is the word we are looking for

1 Corinthians 6:18-20 & 1 Corinthians 7:1-2

The word tranlated in these passages as "fornication" is porneiða which my Strong's reports as meaning "harlotry" (prostitution), including "adultery" and "incest," and gives the figurative meaning of "idolatry" (which is related to "prostitution", in a figurative sense).

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

[color=black]Adultery without sexual intercourse -- Jesus Christ warned, "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart." As with the breaking of any of the Ten Commandments, those who are not washed in the blood of Jesus Christ will have to pay the penalty. They will not enter the Kingdom of God. Punishment for transgression of this Commandment is the death penalty.

Dear Faithfulservant, please show me where Jesus commands the death penalty.

lunamoth

[Bandit]

1608 ekporneuo ek-porn-yoo'-o from 1537 and 4203; to be utterly unchaste:--give self over to fornication. 4202 porneia por-ni'-ah from 4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively, idolatry:--fornication. 4203 porneuo porn-yoo'-o from 4204; to act the harlot, i.e. (literally) indulge unlawful lust (of either sex), or (figuratively) practise idolatry:--commit (fornication).

4204 porne por'-nay feminine of 4205; a strumpet; figuratively, an idolater:--harlot, whore. 4205 pornos por'-nos from pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of 4097); a (male) prostitute (as venal), i.e. (by analogy) a debauchee (libertine):--fornicator, whoremonger.


it is in there about 40 times so I dont think it is something God wants us to get caught up in because people get into problems when they sleep around with too many people. It is supposed to be for marriage, but I know not everyone believes that any more.
Prostitutes were stoned for it. There is more than one way to get into it.
It is in the OT also.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Dear Faithfulservant, please show me where Jesus commands the death penalty.

lunamoth

?? You lost me on that one Luna.. according to the bible.. without Jesus we are all under a death penalty .

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Abogado del Diablo

The word tranlated in these passages as "fornication" is porneiða which my Strong's reports as meaning "harlotry" (prostitution), including "adultery" and "incest," and gives the figurative meaning of "idolatry" (which is related to "prostitution", in a figurative sense).

The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon

porneiva = Porneia (4202)

illicit sexual intercourse

1. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
2. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
3. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,

1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife. 1Co 6:13 Meats for the belly, and the belly for meats: but God shall destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for fornication, but for the Lord; and the Lord for the body. 1Co 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. 1Co 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

porneuvw = Porneuo (4203)

1.to prostitute one's body to the lust of another

2.to give one's self to unlawful sexual intercourse

a.to commit fornication

1 Cor 6:18 Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that commit teth fornication sinneth against his own body.


Merriam-Webster definitions

fornication
: consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each other -- compare ADULTERY

Adultery
: voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husband; also : an act of adultery


*shrug* not sure why we are suddenly on a definitions kick but theres what my resources say.

[I, Brian]

Well, if nothing else, I figure "pornieva" is where the word "porn" originates in English.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Adultery without sexual intercourse -- Jesus Christ warned, "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery already with her in his heart." As with the breaking of any of the Ten Commandments, those who are not washed in the blood of Jesus Christ will have to pay the penalty. They will not enter the Kingdom of God. Punishment for transgression of this Commandment is the death penalty.
[/b]

Hi Faithfulservant, In your paragraph above you say that the penalty for transgression of the commandment (adultery, in this case) is the death penalty. I'm just wondering where this is said in the Bible (NT, since we are talking aobut Jesus). Clearly we do not kill people who take the Lord's name in vain, do not keep the Sabbath, commit adultery, covet they neighbor's stuff, etc. I have never heard this said before, or perhaps I am being too literal in understanding your paragraph.

peace,
lunamoth

[Abogado del Diablo]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Well, if nothing else, I figure "pornieva" is where the word "porn" originates in English.

It does. The reason for my posting Strong's definition is that the discussion took a sharp turn toward the meaning of one Greek word. Whenever that happens, and if I'm at home where I can look it up, I always try to put some persepective on the meaning of the word to aid the discussion.

[JJM]

If I remember correctly, this thread spawned from the Should the Catholic church just Die Quietly? thread. So I was wondering if it would be ok if I gave the Catholic Church's perspective. It is more logical than Biblical so I thought I should ask first rather than hijack the thread. Although I think there is plenty of support from Paul’s writings to argue against premarital sex.