Sex, Marriage and Biblical Prohibition

[JonMarc]

just ran across this thread... i know it's older but i thought i'd toss in my spare change, as a reply to another post drew me to genesis, and plenty of knowing takes place in genesis... this is in response to many little pieces of many little posts that i've read, so i won't quote each one.

first off, just a little side note and pointless question...until eve ate of the tree of knowledge she was not cursed bye God to bring forth children in pain. yet given our anatomy i don't see any other way but pain that a woman could give birth, so was there initially a different means by which new human lives would have been created?


that said...God created us in His image. He then looked upon His creation and saw that it was good, yes? He created parts of our bodies that cause an involuntary physical stimulation. During sex, these are the parts we use. i don't think this is an accident. sex *can* be pleasurable for a reason, just as sex *can* lead to the birth of a new life for a reason. to ignore either side of the equation when engaging in sex would be wrong in my opinion. likewise, neither side of the equation should be interpreted as the whole thing, or more important than the other... in my opinion...


in regards to the original post...

Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. - Colossians 3:5 NKJV

here paul is talking about casting off those parts of us that are worldly, for when we die and go to heaven those things will not be of us.

i agree with jjm in that paul's writings provide a sufficient basis for pre-marital sex=bad

although the roots of the word fornicate lie in prostition, the definition is consentual sex between two partners who are not married. however, i realize the bible wasn't translated yesterday. i quote this verse mostly because there was a discussion in the thread on the death penalty of sin.

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by JonMarc

first off, just a little side note and pointless question...until eve ate of the tree of knowledge she was not cursed bye God to bring forth children in pain. yet given our anatomy i don't see any other way but pain that a woman could give birth, so was there initially a different means by which new human lives would have been created?

i have wondered the same thing JonMarc, like a different dimension. But I dont think anything really changed, procreation stayed right on track.
just that God knew in advance they would be disobedient, just like He knew in advance that He would make a way of escape for us, by Jesus who would be obedient, even unto the death of the cross.

then there is the one part where he mentions multiplying the sorrow in child birth, but i think it is all in predestination & free will. i dont see any other way it could be either, but it is a good question.

i dont know if I said welcome to you yet, but welcome to CR. I have enjoyed your postings.

[JonMarc]

Originally Posted by Bandit

...But I dont think anything really changed, procreation stayed right on track.
just that God knew in advance they would be disobedient, just like He knew in advance that He would make a way of escape for us, by Jesus who would be obedient, even unto the death of the cross....

true... which i guess is why i said it was pointless. earlier in genesis, just before it begins discussing the specifics of adam's creation and just after telling us about how He rested, it does state that the earth was dry because it had not yet rained and man had not yet been made to till the earth. however, the implications of His curse on man make it seem as though without adam's sin all we needed would have been provided not through our hard work but through His....(?)
as in everything we needed was in the garden of eden, yet after original sin we were cast from that place and thus had to 'fend for ourselves' so to speak. just another of the many many examples of god knowing what we would chose and planning a contingency, of sorts.

and thank you for the welcome bandit! likewise with you and your posts!