Seriously...Who does Jesus think He is?

[Silas]

Originally Posted by mee

the whole psalm was prophetic. By studying it we shall gain information as to what God’s anointed king will do for God’s glory and man’s lasting happiness.
In Hebrews 1:8, 9 the apostle Paul quotes Psalm 45:6, 7 and applies the words to the Son of God, Jesus Christ

So the Father calls Jesus God. Is Jesus another God?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Silas

So the Father calls Jesus God. Is Jesus another God?

the bible tells me that the father Jehovah God ,calls Jesus his only-begotten son John 3;16 and
"Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: ‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’"—MATTHEW 3:17. yes the bible is quite clear as to who Jesus is .
(2 Peter 1:17) For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when words such as these were borne to him by the magnificent glory: "This is my son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved."................................. if you stick to true bible teaching you cant go far wrong when it comes to knowing who Jesus is .

[BlaznFattyz]

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,---"

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Silas
So the Father calls Jesus God. Is Jesus another God?

Originally Posted by mee

the bible tells me that the father Jehovah God ,calls Jesus his only-begotten son John 3;16 and
"Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: ‘This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.’"—MATTHEW 3:17. yes the bible is quite clear as to who Jesus is .
(2 Peter 1:17) For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when words such as these were borne to him by the magnificent glory: "This is my son, my beloved, whom I myself have approved."................................. if you stick to true bible teaching you cant go far wrong when it comes to knowing who Jesus is .

Yes, the Father does call Jesus Son. But, that was not the question. Was the Father calling Jesus God in Psa 45:6 and Heb 1:8? If so, is Jesus another God? Please answer.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,---"

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

yes this is just what the bible teaches ,Jehovah God has highly exalted Jesus ,and given him a name which is above every other name . there is no salvation in any one else.
Since it was Jehovah God who highly exalted his Son, all who refuse to acknowledge Jesus Christ as the immortal King of kings and Lord of lords dishonor the Father. Because of who he is and what he has accomplished, the Son deserves honor and loyal support. (Joh 5:23; 1Ti 6:15, 16; Re 5:11-13)

[mee]

Originally Posted by Silas

Yes, the Father does call Jesus Son. But, that was not the question. Was the Father calling Jesus God in Psa 45:6 and Heb 1:8? If so, is Jesus another God? Please answer.

Hebrews

1:8:

RS

reads: "Of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.’" (KJ, NE, TEV, Dy, JB, NAB have similar renderings.) However, NW reads: "But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your throne forever and ever.’" (AT, Mo, TC, By convey the same idea.)
Which rendering is harmonious with the context? The preceding verses say that God is speaking, not that he is being addressed; and the following verse uses the expression "God, thy God," showing that the one addressed is not the Most High God but is a worshiper of that God. Hebrews 1:8 quotes from Psalm 45:6, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Obviously, the Bible writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God. Rather, Psalm 45:6, in RS, reads "Your divine throne." (NE says, "Your throne is like God’s throne." JP [verse 7]: "Thy throne given of God.") Solomon, who was possibly the king originally addressed in Psalm 45, was said to sit "upon Jehovah’s throne." (1 Chron. 29:23, NW) In harmony with the fact that God is the "throne," or Source and Upholder of Christ’s kingship, Daniel 7:13, 14 and Luke 1:32 show that God confers such authority on him.

Hebrews 1:8, 9 quotes from Psalm 45:6, 7, concerning which the Bible scholar B. F. Westcott states: "The LXX. admits of two renderings: [ho the·os´] can be taken as a vocative in both cases (Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore, O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (God is Thy throne, or Thy throne is God . . . ), and in apposition to [ho the·os´ sou] in the second case (Therefore God, even Thy God . . . ). . . . It is scarcely possible that [’Elo·him´] in the original can be addressed to the king. The presumption therefore is against the belief that [ho the·os´] is a vocative in the LXX. Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God, the immovable Rock.’"—The Epistle to the Hebrews (London, 1889), pp. 25, 26.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by mee

Hebrews

1:8:

RS

reads: "Of the Son he says, ‘Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever.’" (KJ, NE, TEV, Dy, JB, NAB have similar renderings.) However, NW reads: "But with reference to the Son: ‘God is your throne forever and ever.’" (AT, Mo, TC, By convey the same idea.)

Which rendering is harmonious with the context? The preceding verses say that God is speaking, not that he is being addressed; and the following verse uses the expression "God, thy God," showing that the one addressed is not the Most High God but is a worshiper of that God. Hebrews 1:8 quotes from Psalm 45:6, which originally was addressed to a human king of Israel. Obviously, the Bible writer of this psalm did not think that this human king was Almighty God. Rather, Psalm 45:6, in RS, reads "Your divine throne." (NE says, "Your throne is like God’s throne." JP [verse 7]: "Thy throne given of God.") Solomon, who was possibly the king originally addressed in Psalm 45, was said to sit "upon Jehovah’s throne." (1 Chron. 29:23, NW) In harmony with the fact that God is the "throne," or Source and Upholder of Christ’s kingship, Daniel 7:13, 14 and Luke 1:32 show that God confers such authority on him.

Hebrews 1:8, 9 quotes from Psalm 45:6, 7, concerning which the Bible scholar B. F. Westcott states: "The LXX. admits of two renderings: [ho the·os´] can be taken as a vocative in both cases (Thy throne, O God, . . . therefore, O God, Thy God . . . ) or it can be taken as the subject (or the predicate) in the first case (God is Thy throne, or Thy throne is God . . . ), and in apposition to [ho the·os´ sou] in the second case (Therefore God, even Thy God . . . ). . . . It is scarcely possible that [’Elo·him´] in the original can be addressed to the king. The presumption therefore is against the belief that [ho the·os´] is a vocative in the LXX. Thus on the whole it seems best to adopt in the first clause the rendering: God is Thy throne (or, Thy throne is God), that is ‘Thy kingdom is founded upon God, the immovable Rock.’"—The Epistle to the Hebrews (London, 1889), pp. 25, 26.

<admin edit, -jt3, it is not your place to issue warnings here> That said, however, I will leave you with this sidebar. One of the most frightful things about hell is that it is a place of unfailing memory. As a Christian, I myself, even tremble to even think of it!

[wil]

Originally Posted by Silas

One of the most frightful things about hell is that it is a place of unfailing memory. As a Christian, I myself, even tremble to even think of it!

Namaste Silas,

This Hell you speak of with such authority. "A place of unfailing memory", your biblical source? Hell in general is in question as discussion with Jews leaves differing stories, mostly relating the the burning garbage dumps outside of town...places where one would have to work and forage if one didn't live a righteous life or other similar metaphors...interesting how the interpretations change after a thousand years and by readers of a different belief system...

[Silas]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Silas,

This Hell you speak of with such authority. "A place of unfailing memory", your biblical source? Hell in general is in question as discussion with Jews leaves differing stories, mostly relating the the burning garbage dumps outside of town...places where one would have to work and forage if one didn't live a righteous life or other similar metaphors...interesting how the interpretations change after a thousand years and by readers of a different belief system...

There are two possibilities here:

1. I can be wrong.
2. I can be right.

If Hell isn't a place where the fierce wrath of Almighty God will execute judgment for all eternity, then what, or rather whom, did Jesus died to save us from? Never mind, don't answer that. Answer this: If hell isn't a place where the fierce wrath of God will be eternally displayed, then where is the justice and power of God? Wait...sorry, don't answer that either. Answer this: If hell isn't a place where God will eternally punish people who have sinned against Him and had the audacity to spurn the great King's kindness and grace, then you will have nothing to worry about.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Silas

If hell isn't a place where God will eternally punish people who have sinned against Him and had the audacity to spurn the great King's kindness and grace, then you will have nothing to worry about.

Namaste Silas,

2 funny the old when I die I'd rather find out that I made the wrong choice and it didn't matter than find out I made the right choice and it did matter. That one has always impressed me as a last ditch desperate measure.

but more to the point... high fives all around, no audacity spurning kindness and grace around here....we relish and roll in the lavishness that the One provides...and are truly grateful. There was a time, place and season for a perception of an unforgiving vengeful G-d.... turn, turn, turn...

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

the bible tells me that the father Jehovah God ,calls Jesus his only-begotten son John 3;16

this decree is only regarding his death at the cross either in prophecy, or during, or after it happened. before jesus being born of the holy spirit and of a virgin, he was the word of god with god as god. the only way to save man was for god to become a man, so the word became flesh, and jesus became the sacrificial lamb of god and died for our sins. upon his death on the cross, god gave him up (begotten) so we might find salvation in him. upon being resurrected and glorified jesus is the only begotten son of god and god is his father. and because jesus is lord god and saviour and one with the father, if we accept christ, then we are reborn and renewed and we have become one with god thru christ.

[wil]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

the only way to save man was for god to become a man

Namaste Blazn,

You know I've hear this a thousand times but never read it?

It truly can't be, it is nonsensical. G-d the omnipotent? The only way to save man? Was to come on earth and then be crucified??

You know your statement just opened a whole world for me. G-d doesn't have an only way for anything, and surely there would be another way than this, a thousand other ways. I mean blood sacrifice?? Not the requirement of any all powerful being...this would be the requirement of a bloodthirsty selfish insecure being.

It is incredible that this has been right here all along and I've overlooked it.

To me it proves that Jesus came to show us, physically show us our potential and blaze the path for us, become and example for us to emulate. I so appreciate the contemplation you have inspired.

[pfw]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Blazn,

I mean blood sacrifice?? Not the requirement of any all powerful being...this would be the requirement of a bloodthirsty selfish insecure being.

.

Then again an awful lot of religions at the time (inc Judaism) required blood sacrifice-and there were a good few that demanded human sacrifice.

Maybe there's an element of the symbolic going on here- Every other 'god' demands that humans sacrifice for them. Yet the Christian God did it the other way around.

That- at the time- would have been a very powerful and radical idea.

Just a thought

[Silas]

wil

Namaste Silas

Whats "Namaste" mean?

2 funny the old when I die I'd rather find out that I made the wrong choice and it didn't matter than find out I made the right choice and it did matter. That one has always impressed me as a last ditch desperate measure.

You say that because you have no fear of God. God has not been pleased to yet give you grace that you may fear Him. "They shall be My people, and I will be their God; then I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear Me forever, for the good of them and their children after them. And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from doing them good; but I will put My fear in their hearts so that they will not depart from Me.” (Jeremiah 32:38-40)

but more to the point... high fives all around, no audacity spurning kindness and grace around here....we relish and roll in the lavishness that the One provides...and are truly grateful. There was a time, place and season for a perception of an unforgiving vengeful G-d.... turn, turn, turn...

Without understanding the wrath of God, at least to some degree, you cannot understand God's love. To you, God's love is a small thing (though you will not say so), He gives and blesses, and provides. Yes, he does all those things because He is pleased to. He causes both good and bad to come upon both saved and unsaved people. In fact, I would dare say he causes more unsaved people to be "better off" in this life. Since this is where their heart and treasure is stored up, they will enjoy this life.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste Blazn,

You know I've hear this a thousand times but never read it?

It truly can't be, it is nonsensical. G-d the omnipotent? The only way to save man? Was to come on earth and then be crucified??

You know your statement just opened a whole world for me. G-d doesn't have an only way for anything, and surely there would be another way than this, a thousand other ways. I mean blood sacrifice?? Not the requirement of any all powerful being...this would be the requirement of a bloodthirsty selfish insecure being.

It is incredible that this has been right here all along and I've overlooked it.

To me it proves that Jesus came to show us, physically show us our potential and blaze the path for us, become and example for us to emulate. I so appreciate the contemplation you have inspired.

I have to be honest with you, <edit, -jt3>. It is really scary to me that you cannot understand how a Holy God will not allow sin to go unpunished. Note Proverb 17:15 "He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the LORD." <edit, -jt3> "It is an abomination to the Lord that wicked people be justified. God's nature demands justice. Sinners deserve His wrath. This is where God's grace comes running in with one word: Christ! In Jesus, God has done two things.

1. God has exonerated His justice by putting forth Jesus to be the propitiation for sin whereby, He can justly execute His justice because He must punish sin.

2. Through Christ, God has justified the ungodly. It is no longer and abomination to do so since Christ paid their fine. The sinner is declared justified by his faith through Christ, who has been displayed as the atoning sacrifice that God's holiness and justice may be seen.


<edit, -jt3>