Scientific Evidence for Homeopathy

[Tao_Equus]

All very interesting I'm sure once I have brewed myself a fresh pot of red hot java I'll be back with some freeze dried reasons on why you miss the full rich aroma of the wider arguments!!

Tao

[ardenz]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

How could it be a placebo effect on an animal? They would have to know they are taking medicine and believe it is going to help them for it to be a placebo effect.

sorry MW my answer didn't translate properly with those small question marks and exclamation marks. Of course the placebo affect can't happen with animals, that was my point --- that's why it's so interesting that it could work. So much of the criticism of homeopathy is that the benefits must be from the placebo affect.---need to use smilies more

Do you take a spoon of honey, in warm water, every day?

good one...I even remember this from my granny, and mollasses. Thanks,I will try it with my detox. I also heard the benefits of manuka honey, though I was always cynical that people were being ripped off because it costs so much. Apparently it is used in burns to great benefit.

sorry to use you as a guinea pig but the idea of stopping smoking makes me feel ill.

It will take great willpower to give up caffeine. I've never really smoked, thankfully, I also have some "irish" drinking traits, which tend to manifest whenever there is a small gathering.

cheers

A

Tao ! you must be awake all hours with all that caffeine, I can see it with that new Avatar, "Night Equus"

[Snoopy]

Bugger. Maybe I'll have to look to my coffee consumption. I don't want anybody to think that I'm shallow, but if I gave up my Illy dark roast coffee my life would have no meaning.

s.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by ardenz

sorry MW my answer didn't translate properly with those small question marks and exclamation marks.

Apologies Ardenz, it was just me misreading. We need a sarcasm smilie.

This is the problem with science, it can't just say "hey, we don't know how but it works", it all has to be "x and y added to an orange and 3 sheets of paper make an interesting hat". I could understand if doctors would say, clearly it works, so now we need to study to find out how it works.

Originally Posted by ardenz

I also heard the benefits of manuka honey, though I was always cynical that people were being ripped off because it costs so much. Apparently it is used in burns to great benefit.

I shall show my ignorence here, what is manuka honey? Assume it is from a manuka bee?

Originally Posted by ardenz

I also have some "irish" drinking traits, which tend to manifest whenever there is a small gathering.

Ah, an Irish small gathering - so that would be 2 people and if another person is unavailable the parrot will do?!

Salaam

[Tao_Equus]

Here is a link with some basic background on Manuka Honey: BBC NEWS | Health | Harnessing honey's healing power

Quite topical too as it happens, it was on this mornings breakfast news as it is being used in hospitals in Wales to treat wounds infected with MRSA.

I learned about the use of these honeys with high concentrations of hydrogen peroxide some time ago. In Australia jellybush and leatherbark honeys both contain these healing properties and were a part of Aboriginal medicine before science cottoned on. It is indeed another fine example of how science ignores traditional remedies at its peril. This is changing, the drug companies have people out scouring the planet for natural compounds and they seek out indigenous 'doctors' to give them leads. The barfturds then put a patent on the isolated compound so no-one else can use it tho. Often they forget, the scientists, that these remedies have been in use for millennia, clinical trials that go back to our nomadic forebears. The truth today is that drug companies are less interested in our health than filing patents and scoring huge profits from often toxic substances of debatably any value whatsoever. There are a handful of pharmaceutical drugs of undoubted value but the vast majority of them are useless. And often it seems that isolating compounds is not the answer, that the natural substance works best as a cocktail of sometimes minute traces that is produced in the whole.
Natural holistic approaches to health do work. In Wales the combination approach they take, including manuka honey and maggots to clean out infections, has already seen them reduce the cases of MRSA by a third compared to the rest of the UK, and thats only in a short time. They expect to make further reductions as time goes on. An excellent model to follow.


Tao

[ardenz]

From Homeopathy to caffeine and honey.......what about a health section ?

yes , Tao, I heard about some of these Manuka Honey claims from a scientist on a radio programme. thnks for links. The grading is very important.

A DETOX UPDATE (yes off topic)
I have been off caffeine for 5 days - [with one cup on sunday] - the headaches are only subsiding today, wed. I have done this before and this is normal for me, a caffeineaddict. Caffeine means : chocolate, tea (even green tea), coffee, soft drinks, etc.. Am making do with nettle tea...mmmyummmy ! and veggie juice, water. Also off milk, sugar, alcohol and other baddies. I have been recommended a homeopathic combined detox remedy which I may try.

I swam in the sea this morning for the first time this year and am generally starting to feel less groggy in the morning.

will let you know when I start training for the marathon

[Tao_Equus]

Maybe a masochism page too!!
While I wish you the best on whatever you choose...
I just love my red hot java
Its all a trade off between pleasure and pain...
I'l stick to a latte and a nice hot bath

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by ardenz

From Homeopathy to caffeine and honey.......what about a health section ?

Hi ardenz

I like that idea, share health tips. I mentioned the Manuka honey to my father today and he said that honey was used in Medievil times on wounds, s it was known to ward off infection. Makes you wonder if science has actually progressed at all?!

Originally Posted by ardenz

Am making do with nettle tea...mmmyummmy ! and veggie juice, water. Also off milk, sugar, alcohol and other baddies. I have been recommended a homeopathic combined detox remedy which I may try.

Well done you, I like the sound of more energy in the morning. Do you really feel that is from changing your diet for just 5 days? If so, it would be an awful reflection on our normal diet.


Tao

Typical chap, I bet if said I was on a diet you would talk about chocolate cake!

[Tao_Equus]

lol MW,

Well maybe I just dont understand, being the type that can eat what i want and not gain a pound. But since it may make others a tad envious I wont post a report on how good the chocolate hazelnut profiteroles I am making tomorrow are. Washed down with a big mug of cappuccino made from full fat Jersey milk, of course.

Tao
(now wipe that drool off your chin.... most unladylike!!)

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

lol MW,

Well maybe I just dont understand, being the type that can eat what i want and not gain a pound. But since it may make others a tad envious I wont post a report on how good the chocolate hazelnut profiteroles I am making tomorrow are. Washed down with a big mug of cappuccino made from full fat Jersey milk, of course.

Tao
(now wipe that drool off your chin.... most unladylike!!)

I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU, I HATE YOU I just have to walk past a cake shop and add a pound. Yep, I hate you.

I wiped the drool off and am now chewing my carrot stick, drinking my cranberry juice and having a damn good cry.

[ardenz]

DETOX day 8 [sorry we have gone way off topic by now - Scientific Evidence for Homeopathy will go off and think about it ]

still swimming....the water seems to be getting warmer its amazing.... most of the swimmers are fit and healthy elderly folk, some who swim year round ! they have great attitudes

porridge has entered the scene (the old gruel). Have found some other herbal teas as a change from nettle.

Tao,
Who doesn't looove chocolate cake, especially the dark stuff. mmm

My reason for going detox harks back to the mental health discussion a while back. When I watched my diet before, I was doing better in that department: losing weight etc was just a bonus. I never had to watch calories much myself, though the tummy is spreading a little now.

One of the most important things to take is the Omega oils 3:6:9. important for brain, skin...one great source is Hemp oil. It will take a few weeks for improvements to start showing. Meanwhile my brain is still a little fuzzy. I don't quite feel myself yet, whatever that may be. [no, not the hemp]

So the masochism continues .....

Ardenz

MW ,
I think most modern medicine is up its a**e.

[Tao_Equus]

I believe that hemp fibres are like razors in the intestinal tract and can cause internal bleeding. So be careful to chew these chocolate brownies well

I go down to Cornwall in September for 2 weeks where I cant wait to jump in the ocean. The North sea is way too cold and polluted to even consider it.

Tao

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Here is a link with some basic background on Manuka Honey: BBC NEWS | Health | Harnessing honey's healing power

Never heard of this stuff but being the gullible type I just got a jar. All I can report so far is it tastes fabulous. Apparantly there's a guy making similar stuff from a hivery (???!!) in Derbyshire, where he only heats the honey up to the temperature of the hive, to protect the wondrous properties of it. My local shop keeper swears by it.

On the detox front, I'm off the caffeinated coffee and wine. Next stop: when the decaff runs out...no more coffee. So far insanity has not set in. But we'll see......

s.

[wil]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

lol MW,

Well maybe I just dont understand, being the type that can eat what i want and not gain a pound. But since it may make others a tad envious I wont post a report on how good the chocolate hazelnut profiteroles I am making tomorrow are. Washed down with a big mug of cappuccino made from full fat Jersey milk, of course.

Tao
(now wipe that drool off your chin.... most unladylike!!)

No worries Tao...I was that way for over 30 years.....it ends abruptly for some...and then changing eating habits is tough....I eat a lot better...volume is my problem...went from waist 29 to 40

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by wil

No worries Tao...I was that way for over 30 years.....it ends abruptly for some...and then changing eating habits is tough....I eat a lot better...volume is my problem...went from waist 29 to 40

Well I have to confess that I think a change is starting to occur in me too. I stopped smoking cigs in March and since then I have put weight on. I have gone from 154lbs to 168lbs in that time and am now heavier than I have ever been. At 6' tall tho I am still slim and athletic looking, infact most say I look better for the extra weight. It has gone on fairly evenly, only a slight bias toward the stomach area. And I am feeling fitter and stronger than I have for years because of stopping smoking. I do have a love of rich dairy based foods. I am a cheese fanatic. So I would find what is popularised as a healthy diet too much of a sacrifice. I think there is a trade off you can only choose for yourself and if i start putting even more weight on I probably will reassess my diet. But till then I will enjoy while I can. I never eat fast or processed foods, I think this, together with portion control, is key to remaining slim.

Tao