Samael Aun Weor

[Thoth]

Hello, this is my first post here. I apologize if it is in the wrong area...

I have recently been reading about Samael Aun Weor and his works at websites like gnosis-usa.com. But, before I become too interested in any thing written or proclaimed, I like to see the critical viewpoints. I have had a difficult time finding critical acclaim for Weor's work online. Are his ideas impeccable so as to not require any critique? From reading other posts here, I have a feeling some of you would know of some sources criticizing Weor.

[bgruagach]

There is a brief mention of Weor and his brand of gnosticism (which is apparently not related at all to historical gnosticism) at http://www.skepdic.com/news/newsletter46.html. Scroll down about two-thirds of the way, and look for the section titled "New Age Gnosticism."

Before committing to any group I strongly recommend familiarizing yourself with Isaac Bonewits' "Cult Danger Evaluation Frame" which he has on his website at http://www.neopagan.net/ABCDEF.html as it provides a good checklist of warning signs to identify dangerous groups.

It's often true that if a particular group or philosophy sounds too good to be true, chances are it is.

[I, Brian]

Hi, Thoth, and welcome to the forums.

[Thoth]

Originally Posted by bgruagach

It's often true that if a particular group or philosophy sounds too good to be true, chances are it is.

I agree. It has been my philosophy in the past to never believe in any one viewpoint of reality, but to take the ideas from each one that I deem reightous and use them in my life. This is difficult as there are many grey areas, though.

Although the review at the website you gave is not too scathing of new age gnosticism, the book they speak of (here) seems very worthy of a purchase.

[bgruagach]

There is some discussion of Weor at another discussion board over at http://www.occultforums.com/showthread.php?t=7169

There doesn't seem to be very much objective material about him on the internet. There is a lot of material though about gnosticism (if you do a google search on "gnostic" you'll find lots) if you are interested in learning about traditional gnosticism rather than Weor's teachings which I understand are not gnosticism at all.

[Chela]

Samael Aun Weor is not very well known among the English speaking world because he books are only recently being published in a widely available manner.

Let the truth be known by its fruits. His books teach the method to awaken consciousness. If one is searching for the ultimate truth, then this one must look inside, because as the sages of all times say, "Heaven is found within." So if that is what one is looking for, then, Samael Aun Weor's doctrine is very potent, very dense, in the method observe for one's self, such Truth.

There are actually many critics, but, again not so much in English. At the rate which his books are spreading, it will only be a manner of time before many people will attempt to "disprove" his "theories." I put these in quotes because his books are not about theories, rather, what can be known through observing reality.

[rightnow]

Originally Posted by Chela

Samael Aun Weor is not very well known among the English speaking world because he books are only recently being published in a widely available manner.

This message is for other people who are looking for Samael's books. I just found a "whole bunch" (ie a wide variety) of Samael's books available in cheap paperback format (ie NOT from Thelema Press) at lulu.com.

This is the exact URL to find the main repository:

http://www.lulu.com/gnostic
Gnostic Books by Samael Aun Weor

(These books are provided as is, "at cost" and no attempt to profit from them is made, whatsoever. The PDFs are also available for free from the site...)

This is a notice from the website:

NOTE: Gnostic Books is not Thelema Press, and is in no way affiliated with Thelema Press or any other "official" Gnostic organizations. Nevertheless the best possible translations are provided at the lowest possible cost.

[Chela]

I do not personally trust them, as the "editor" merely took the PDFs one can find on the internet, formatted them into a 6 x 9 book, placed his name on the front, and a short passage about himself and his groups on the back (which have nothing to do with Samael Aun Weor's knowledge).

Furthermore, the editor does not seem to have a good understanding Samael's doctrine, which is no crime in itself, but rather unqualifies him to be an editor.

Thelema Press on the other hand has had its books translated and edited by a direct student of Samael Aun Weor.

[PluckyAli]

Samuel aun weor.
Criticism:
I have read his book the perfect matrimony.In this whole book he talks about some mysterious forces which can't be detected like he says Venus is female and some other planet is male.Come man how could a planet be female or male?.I know existence of matter is based on pairs,but it doesnot mean matter itself is male or female.

The big **** he is always talking in his whole book is if you want to live wisely just start practising sexual magic.In sexual magic all you have to do is retire before spilling the glass of hermes.(hermes?.huh).This is plainly wrong,and the reason is that's How God made us.I mean it's natural to spill the semen.I'ts unnatural to not spill the semen during sex.You can download perfect marimony from this website.
But i still respect him.I like his quotes.
"Be humble to become wise,and after becoming one,be more humble."
www.anael.org

[SurgiKill]

Hello,

I am also studying the works of Samael Aun Weor.
I have found some excellent free translations available at http://www.gnosticweb.com/index.php?PageID=112
These translations seem to be unique to that website so they are not the other free ones which are floating around the internet.
Also, they have free courses in Astral Travel, Searching Within (Self knowledge), Journey to Enlightenment etc.
which can really add a practical side to the study of contempory gnosis.
http://www.gnosticweb.com/index.php?PageID=157
I have got a lot out of the courses I have done so far there so if you are interested give them a go.

Cheers,
Steve

[Chela]

Originally Posted by PluckyAli

Samuel aun weor.
Criticism:
I have read his book the perfect matrimony.In this whole book he talks about some mysterious forces which can't be detected like he says Venus is female and some other planet is male.Come man how could a planet be female or male?.I know existence of matter is based on pairs,but it doesnot mean matter itself is male or female.

The big **** he is always talking in his whole book is if you want to live wisely just start practising sexual magic.In sexual magic all you have to do is retire before spilling the glass of hermes.(hermes?.huh).This is plainly wrong,and the reason is that's How God made us.I mean it's natural to spill the semen.I'ts unnatural to not spill the semen during sex.You can download perfect marimony from this website.
But i still respect him.I like his quotes.
"Be humble to become wise,and after becoming one,be more humble."
www.anael.org

PluckyAli,

It sounds as if you did not understand his message!

It is, of course, natural for a fornicator to forncate.

Everyone is free to do as he wishes.

However, if one wishes to awaken consciousness, if one wishes to transform the psyche (soul), then they must transform the sexual energy.

The transformation, the transmutation, transubstanstation, the sublimation, etc., of the sexual energy is the basis of all change. Sexual energy is Shiva-Shakti, the Creator-Destroyer.

Meditation, Pranayama, prayer, and any other yogic or tantric exercise, properly formed, is an exercise in the transmutation of the creative-sexual-vital enegry of the human organism.

This is why the Kalachakra of Tibetan Buddhism is intrested in the 'seminal drops.'

This is why Sivanadana taught pranamayama and the importance of semen.

This is why Jesus' first miracle was the transmutation of water (base semen; or simply sexual energy of the woman) into wine (transformed energy that causes one to achive happiness and break the cycle of suffering).

Therefore, I emplore you to make an effort to find comprehension!

[Chela]

Originally Posted by SurgiKill

Hello,

I am also studying the works of Samael Aun Weor.
I have found some excellent free translations available at http://www.gnosticweb.com/index.php?PageID=112
These translations seem to be unique to that website so they are not the other free ones which are floating around the internet.
Also, they have free courses in Astral Travel, Searching Within (Self knowledge), Journey to Enlightenment etc.
which can really add a practical side to the study of contempory gnosis.
http://www.gnosticweb.com/index.php?PageID=157
I have got a lot out of the courses I have done so far there so if you are interested give them a go.

Cheers,
Steve

I am sorry to say that this "Gnostic" school is mistaken.
They state that only five of Samael Aun Weor's books should be read. When confronted to substantiate this claim, they cannot. The book Pistis Sophia Unveiled, the last book written by Samael Aun Weor, tells the student to read some of the books that this school states should be burned.

It is clear that they do not know what they are talking about, because the Pistis Sophia Unveiled is 100% Alchemical and Kabbalistic. Nevertheless, they do not study The Initatic Path in the Arcana of Tarot & Kabbalah because they state this book should be burned. Therefore, there is no way they can understand The Pistis Sophia Unveiled!