Saddam Is Dead

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

I agree but I'd say some Kurds. I know quite a few were calling for an immediate execution years ago.

I am curious SG: Do you think the Kurds who press for an overlapping or independent Kurdistan, within or beyond Northern Iraq, are rightful in their actions in the last decade? Today?

I'm afraid that my education regarding the whole situation is too scanty to offer up a good opinion on that matter. However, I do believe that the Kurd's grievances against Saddam deserve to be heard, and not just be swept under the carpet. It would be a good way to become more informed on the matter, and to perhaps find the lessons we need to learn from it.

[cyberpi]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

I'm afraid that my education regarding the whole situation is too scanty to offer up a good opinion on that matter. However, I do believe that the Kurd's grievances against Saddam deserve to be heard, and not just be swept under the carpet. It would be a good way to become more informed on the matter, and to perhaps find the lessons we need to learn from it.

You drew my curiosity by quoting Kurd Media. I find many things twisted there. When I hear words like Anfal, Kurdistan, and Kurdish whatever, I tend to ask whatever became of 1.5 million Armenians.

The ethnocentrism is ripe, the nationalism is conflicting, the political hypocrisy is thick, the foreigners are local, the religions are militant, and the diasporas many.

A few things stuck in my mind from a history teacher:
1. History books and traditions are written by the living.
2. Religious or idealistic wars are the bloodiest.
3. The concept of Nation is fluid and overlapping with many evil Shibboleths.

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by cyberpi

You drew my curiosity by quoting Kurd Media. I find many things twisted there. When I hear words like Anfal, Kurdistan, and Kurdish whatever, I tend to ask whatever became of 1.5 million Armenians.

The ethnocentrism is ripe, the nationalism is conflicting, the political hypocrisy is thick, the foreigners are local, the religions are militant, and the diasporas many.

A few things stuck in my mind from a history teacher:
1. History books and traditions are written by the living.
2. Religious or idealistic wars are the bloodiest.
3. The concept of Nation is fluid and overlapping with many evil Shibboleths.

Hence, my dismay that stories of genocide are once again being swept under the rug without proper examination. How are we ever going to learn our lessons from it and quit committing the same evils over and over again that way?

[wil]

I believe there is a reason that Saddam was not tried on the deaths in Kurdistan...according to Pentagon reports I read previously it was not conclusive that he was the cause and the evidence actually pointed otherwise.

There is also a reason that Saddam was not tried in International Court, he was tried by the 'Iraqi' Govt. If the US ever pushed anyone into the Intl Court than suddenly our leaders would be potential defendants as well.

As far as which evil avatar will be next....we simply need to look at who we (US) are suppporting today as it seems many of who we've had to go after in the past were supported by our Gov't and/or our industry before they became something we had to war against...Hitler, Noriega, Osama, Saddam...if the past is any indicator of the future we are currently making the same mistakes right now.

[Francis king]

well said, wil

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by wil

Saddam was not tried in International Court, he was tried by the 'Iraqi' Govt. If the US ever pushed anyone into the Intl Court than suddenly our leaders would be potential defendants as well.

As far as which evil avatar will be next....we simply need to look at who we (US) are suppporting today as it seems many of who we've had to go after in the past were supported by our Gov't and/or our industry before they became something we had to war against...Hitler, Noriega, Osama, Saddam...if the past is any indicator of the future we are currently making the same mistakes right now.

Well said.

Imo, your nation is in the grip of an Orwellian nightmare, were perpetual war is the order of the day, and free speech is not encouraged.

Bush nor America did not give a damn for the Kurds, or anyone else, they were determined to go in there and rape, murder, and savage tens of thousands of Iraqi's for their own agenda (work out what that might be...)

Also, Al Quieda were previously opposed by Saddam, and now since he has gone, that nation has become a recruitment ground for the idealogy of it.

Hardly a job well done...

Unless, of course, that was the plan all along...

[17th Angel]

Awesome.... Sadam has had his life taken away by hanging... Thats all the Eastern problems solved..... Right?

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Awesome.... Sadam has had his life taken away by hanging... Thats all the Eastern problems solved..... Right?

Yeah, and my special limited edition Saddam wrist watch is now worth twice as much. Woohoo!

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Yeah, and my special limited edition Saddam wrist watch is now worth twice as much. Woohoo!

I've got a Saddam lunch box ;/ Does that go up in price? Has a matching flask....

[zeras]

Originally Posted by enlightenment

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/30122006/325/saddam-hanged-dawn.html

Well, the Zionist backed USA finally got their way, and engineered the execution of a man that they once fast tracked into power.

I do not support the death penalty.

I doubt that this trial was ever going to be anything but a sham, but if Saddam was culpable of the crimes that he was alleged to have committed, then so too must it follow that Bush and Cheney are also tried, in the same method, and hanged, for their crimes against humanity.

But of course, somehow, that will be different though, huh.

Now let's hear the excuses as to why it is different?

The Zionists & Free Masons, Think they have changed something, instead they have made it even worse. Saddam is dead, yes, but There is no peace still in Iraq, Who ever thought this was going to bring or change anything has little or knowledge of the Culture of Iraq and What they are living day by day.

Salaamulikum
(peace be upon to you)

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by zeras

The Zionists & Free Masons, Think they have changed something, instead they have made it even worse. Saddam is dead, yes, but There is no peace still in Iraq, Who ever thought this was going to bring or change anything has little or knowledge of the Culture of Iraq and What they are living day by day.

Salaamulikum
(peace be upon to you)

Zionism and Freemasonary..?

How are they connected..?

[Faithfulservant]

I believe in capital punishment.. the bible is clear on the fact if one takes another mans life his is forfeit. I only hope He found Christ somewhere up to that point.

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

I believe in capital punishment.. the bible is clear on the fact if one takes another mans life his is forfeit. I only hope He found Christ somewhere up to that point.

Well, this may get me the CIA knocking on my door, but: Are you prepared to apply that same stringent belief in capital punishment to your own leaders here in the US? I sure hope they can find Christ sometime, too.

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by Pathless

Well, this may get me the CIA knocking on my door, but: Are you prepared to apply that same stringent belief in capital punishment to your own leaders here in the US? I sure hope they can find Christ sometime, too.

I hope everyone has Christ before they die

[Quahom1]

Indeed, the butcher of Bagdad is dead. And we are going to put Bush in the same league as Saddam? On what criteria? What evidence shows western leaders (at this moment) to be the same as the one hanged for over 30 years of "leadership", and mass graves for those who opposed him?.

What pray tell has current western leaders done that would equal the reign of Saddam Huessain? Not a damn thing.

Up until six years ago, y'all never heard of George W. Bush...but you knew about Saddam. So now Bush is the bad guy? I'd like to know why. Is it because he doesn't adhere to your particular belief in the way things should be?

I wonder what would happen if the United States withdrew from every country on earth, tomorrow. All military, all ambassadors, everything... "Good riddence" you might say...but is it really?

Actually there is a way to make such happen. Pressure your respective governments to force the US out of your countries. Stop buying american goods. Cash in your american stocks and bonds. Break the American bank...and you get your wish.

Only problem is, there are enough resources in America for us to keep on going, all by our selves...we'll simply re-invent ourselves...without the rest of the world's influence.

Scary isn't it. I mean 5% of the worlds population, doesn't really need the rest of the world to survive. (not technically, not agriculturally, not economically, not energy wise, not technilogically).

But you need us, desperately. Why? We supply 3/4s of the grain, we invent more things than the rest of the world combined, we design what the rest of the world refines.

And we fight like the dickens, once committed. And we are the most loyal people you have ever met...

Yet you are right, we are idiots. We ask nothing in return (as a nation), never have.

The world is lucky actually, that we (the United States) never even considered being like imperial Rome... there wouldn't be much left if we did.

So, blame Bush lol. Afterall, he held his hand, and so did his father...