Religious pluralism

[Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine]

Originally Posted by dayaa

can someone please explain to me why some people feel so cheerful at the prospect of damnation of others?

sorry....i am getting out of line here?

I feel that they (the ones who feel so cheerful at the prospect of the damnation of others) are so "cheerful" because they are unwilling/unable to see past their own artificially induced doctrine (please correct me here if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus say that he died for everybody, that he "paid" for everybody's salvation?) The "artificially induced doctrine" I'm talking about is the one where a person has to accept Jesus as his/her savior.

I know what you're talking about concerning people feeling "cheerful" about the prospect of someone else's prospective damnation. There's a woman who "helps" me with my apartment, and she claims that Muslims are idolators because they call upon Allah (which is, if I'm not mistaken, just another way of refering to G!d.) She blew her stack when she saw a copy of a translation of the Koran I'm in the midst of reading (curiosity/:kitty:/*meow*) and she had the audacity to say that I'm damning myself for just bloody reading the text! I wanted to do something radical to her anatomy to the point that her physiology would be quite , but I ended up baking bread products (anybody interested in some vegetarian pizzas, French bread, pretzels, Parmasan breadsticks, rolls [both filled and plain] and cinnamon struesel coffeecake? I have quite a lot of them and not that much room in my freezer...)

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

[earl]

Originally Posted by Vimalakirti

Thanks for the link, Earl - but didn't work! I did find this http://www.religion-online.org/showa....asp?title=914. I'll have a more leisured look when I have time - simple things intevene, like day-to-day survival!

Sorry about that V & everybody else! I've joked/apologized here @ this forum before about my "typing dsylexia." Unfortunately, it's quite real. I can look at how something is spelled and still type it differently when I post, (one of the reasons i think twice about posting links-half the time I type them wrong) Should actually have been http://www.emptybell.org/panikkar.html.

Have a good one, Earl

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

I feel that they (the ones who feel so cheerful at the prospect of the damnation of others) are so "cheerful" because they are unwilling/unable to see past their own artificially induced doctrine (please correct me here if I'm wrong, but didn't Jesus say that he died for everybody, that he "paid" for everybody's salvation?) The "artificially induced doctrine" I'm talking about is the one where a person has to accept Jesus as his/her savior.

I know what you're talking about concerning people feeling "cheerful" about the prospect of someone else's prospective damnation. There's a woman who "helps" me with my apartment, and she claims that Muslims are idolators because they call upon Allah (which is, if I'm not mistaken, just another way of refering to G!d.) She blew her stack when she saw a copy of a translation of the Koran I'm in the midst of reading (curiosity/:kitty:/*meow*) and she had the audacity to say that I'm damning myself for just bloody reading the text! I wanted to do something radical to her anatomy to the point that her physiology would be quite , but I ended up baking bread products (anybody interested in some vegetarian pizzas, French bread, pretzels, Parmasan breadsticks, rolls [both filled and plain] and cinnamon struesel coffeecake? I have quite a lot of them and not that much room in my freezer...)

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

YAH! that baking food you mention sounds real good to me. Hey, i have been sent down that cheerful damnation road with people & seen it done to others.

it is best not even to discuss with people who do that. there are lots of people who do that, tell others they CANNOT read certain material.

[earl]

Just for the heck of it, thought I'd post some excerpts from chapter 25 of the Lotus Sutra, which, though perhaps somewhat uncharacteristic for a Buddhist sutra, has a lovely "pluralistic" tone and, to me, relates back to panikkar's metaphor re the Divine "white light" refracting through humanity's experience of it, (the Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara is, of course, the bohisattva of compassion):

"The Buddha declared to the Bodhisattva Aksayamati, "Good man, if there are beings in the land who can be conveyed to deliverance by the body of a Buddha, then the Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara preaches the Truth by displaying the body of a Buddha...To those who can be conveyed to deliverance by the Brahma (God the Creator)he preaches the Truth by displaying the body of Brahma. To those who can be conveyed to deliverance by the body of Shakra he preaches the Truth by displaying the body of the god Shakra. To those who can be conveyed to deliverance by the body of the god Ishvara (personal God) he preaches the Truth by displaying the body of the god Ishvara...To those who can be conveyed to deliverance by the body of an elder...a householder...an official...a woman...a boy or girl...a god, dragon, spirit, angel, demon, Garuda bird, centaur, serpent, human or non-human, he preaches Dharma by displaying the appropriate body...The Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara, by resort to a variety of forms travels the world conveying beings to salvation."

truly different strokes for different folks it seems Have a good One or Many, Earl

[Vimalakirti]

Originally Posted by earl

Just for the heck of it, thought I'd post some excerpts from chapter 25 of the Lotus Sutra, which, though perhaps somewhat uncharacteristic for a Buddhist sutra, has a lovely "pluralistic" tone and, to me, relates back to panikkar's metaphor re the Divine "white light" refracting through humanity's experience of it, (the Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara is, of course, the bohisattva of compassion):

"The Buddha declared to the Bodhisattva Aksayamati, "Good man, if there are beings in the land who can be conveyed to deliverance by the body of a Buddha, then the Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara preaches the Truth by displaying the body of a Buddha...To those who can be conveyed to deliverance by the Brahma (God the Creator)he preaches the Truth by displaying the body of Brahma. To those who can be conveyed to deliverance by the body of Shakra he preaches the Truth by displaying the body of the god Shakra. To those who can be conveyed to deliverance by the body of the god Ishvara (personal God) he preaches the Truth by displaying the body of the god Ishvara...To those who can be conveyed to deliverance by the body of an elder...a householder...an official...a woman...a boy or girl...a god, dragon, spirit, angel, demon, Garuda bird, centaur, serpent, human or non-human, he preaches Dharma by displaying the appropriate body...The Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara, by resort to a variety of forms travels the world conveying beings to salvation."

truly different strokes for different folks it seems Have a good One or Many, Earl

Thanks, Earl. I've always thought this an attractive passage as well, and one that isn't mentioned all that much (while the chapter following, with its notion of magical rescue, gets way too much mention, to my taste).