Rationale for the Reason - Page 3

Sacredstar · 02-04-2005, 07:42 PM

Dear Bandit

Jesus and every great spiritual teacher taught us the same thing 'know thyself and you will know the universe' this is the nature and true Science of Being.

So what do we know about ourselves? People listen to doctors but they do not listen to their own bodies and souls, their very own barometer that was GOD given so that we could understand ourselves not through scientific models but from our very own being.

GOD gave us two keys to truth one leads to the black hole and the other to completion. I will give you an analogy a clinical depressive became depressed due to their negative thoughts, perceptions and beliefs about themself and others due to their negative childhood experiences. They ended up in what mental health patients call the 'black hole' a place where there is no light, I called it hell and truly believed that earth was hell.

The Essenes taught us that 'energy follows thought' it is the law of attraction,
Dale Pond as done a lot of research in this.

The clinical depressive found no help from doctors, counsellors, etc etc so this person spent hours and days soul searching for the answers. They came to a wonderful conclusion that if there energy could take them down and down into a black hole due to their thoughts then if they reversed this trend they could take their energy back up to the point where they could manifest anything. They also came to the conclusion that their own energy was attracting more negative situations into their own life due to the negative energy in their own auric field, it was attracting it in. It is the same with chaos when we are out of balance we attract life conditions that are out of balance.

Now if I was totally in bliss with GOD 24/7 I would never get any work done in the physical dimension at all, so even in total positivity we have to walk the middle path and here we find balance in the centre of the Grace of GOD.

I lived in total bliss, life can be a prayerful, graceful meditation but I also learnt that for there to be a real balance this must be combined with compassionate action in the real world.

Unconditional love is a passive word it is a state a being,
Compassion is an active word it means to take compassionate action,
it is when we intertwine the two that we become divine love in manifestation on the earth plane.

And so it is with negative and positive poles, we can be positive in our being and use this positivity to address any negativity so that all becomes neutral, peaceful, graceful and beautiful, but it is our GOD given free will to choose.....which key of truth to use.

It is the same with the intuition that comes from our soul, how often do people listen? It always warns is if we are in danger it once saved my life age 13. The soul is sensitive, fragile energetically and sublime, and one can only hear the soul when one is in one's heart not one's mind. So with all the reasoning in the world, intellectuals and materialists are usually the last to reach the gates of heaven, because their material thinking creates a brick wall separating them from the heart of their souls. Carl Jung and Einstein were two of a few exceptions, they openly admitted that they were guided and received messages on waking and Jung even wrote a channelled book.

Apologies are digress......

Let go of your minds, live in your hearts and your whole world changes for the better.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

Vajradhara · 02-04-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

All modern electronics work by this "old" model, and since electricity is one of the 3 main components of sub-atomic theory (used to be four), the question returns then as to who to believe; you, or the evidence and scholarship of countless thousands who have taken the "old" scientific model and turned it into technology to improve our lives? Because it works!

Namaste Juan,

thank you for the post.

the four fundamental forces of the universe are:

Gravity
Weak Nuclear Force
Strong Nuclear Force
Electromagentism

we have managed to integrate three of these four into a unified Quantum Theory, though gravity is still out of reach. typically, this unified theory is called a GUT, Grand Unified Theory. when it attempts to integrate Gravity into the theory, they are called Super-Unified Theories.

they are described thusly:

1. The strong interaction is very strong, but very short-ranged. It acts only over ranges of order 10-13 centimeters and is responsible for holding the nuclei of atoms together. It is basically attractive, but can be effectively repulsive in some circumstances.

2. The electromagnetic force causes electric and magnetic effects such as the repulsion between like electrical charges or the interaction of bar magnets. It is long-ranged, but much weaker than the strong force. It can be attractive or repulsive, and acts only between pieces of matter carrying electrical charge.

3. The weak force is responsible for radioactive decay and neutrino interactions. It has a very short range and, as its name indicates, it is very weak.

4. The gravitational force is weak, but very long ranged. Furthermore, it is always attractive, and acts between any two pieces of matter in the Universe since mass is its source.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/l...gy/forces.html

Sacredstar · 02-04-2005, 07:54 PM

Dear Lunamoth

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Originally Posted by lunamoth

To my distress I am living in a country where well-meaning but misguided people are trying to suppress the teaching of science in the schools

lunamoth

I should imagine because they wish to suppress what the cutting edge US scientists are discovering about our metaphysical universe the last thing that governments want is for the people to take back their power and be true co-creators.

OK so take a look at these video's, I am hoping to run a programme in my area where we share this work with schools. A senior science teacher saw a presentation of bruce lipton's work at a conference and couldn't wait to start teaching it in his science class.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

Sacredstar · 02-04-2005, 08:01 PM

and as Buddha said 'Be a light unto yourself' which means look not outside of yourselves all the anwsers are within your own nature of being.

Vajradhara · 02-04-2005, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sacredstar

Jesus and every great spiritual teacher taught us the same thing 'know thyself and you will know the universe' this is the nature and true Science of Being.

Salaam SacredStar,

thank you for the post.

are you certain that they all taught this? i haven't found any teachings in the Buddha Dharma that would support this assertion. Anatman, don't ya know.

Vajradhara · 02-04-2005, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sacredstar

and as Buddha said 'Be a light unto yourself' which means look not outside of yourselves all the anwsers are within your own nature of being.

i beg to differ, Sacredstar, with your interpetation of what the historical Buddha was teaching with this phrase.

the Buddhist teachings are given to a specific group of people, in a specific place in time with a specific understanding of things. without reading the entire Sutta, we cannot really have an understanding of what is being taught, to whom and why. generally speaking, when we read the suttas/sutras in English, the translators leave off all the important setting and contextual information that allows us to determine to whom the teaching is applicable. perhaps, they do this through their own cultural paradigm that doesn't have teachings presented in the same fashion.

Buddhism is not like most other religious paradigms in the sense that there are multiple teachings with the Buddha Dharma that correspond with the various capacities of beings. the Buddha taught 84,000 Dharma doors, or entries to truth, each corresponding with the capacities of beings.

the refereneced teaching; "be a light unto thy self" is found in the Maha Parinibbana Sutta, where it is rendered ": "Behold now, bhikkhus, I exhort you: All compounded things are subject to vanish. Strive with earnestness!"

the transliteration of the phrase into "be a light unto thy self" is not correct and is clearly seen in the phrase "thy self", which, in the Buddhist thought, does not exist. this is, of course, tied to the teaching of Sunyata and Anatman.

Sacredstar · 02-04-2005, 10:13 PM

Dear Vajradhara

Well if you are ever blessed with the ability to see/talk with Buddha yourself I am sure he will help you to understand. His language can not be understood with reasoning and intellectual mind but with a loving heart, not bothering whether it is true or not. And a moment comes suddenly the light goes on and that which as eluded you your whole life, suddenly what Gautum Buddha called 'eighty-four thousand doors' open.

Big smiles, now it is my turn to have some fun!

Lighten up everyone.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

Sacredstar · 02-05-2005, 12:06 AM

I have been trying to find some relevant quotes, these aren't quite what I was looking for but a few to chew on.

"you seek too much information and not enough transformation' Sai Baba

'It is you that pervades this universe, and this universe exists in you. Your true nature is pure consciousness. Don't be small minded.' 'The Self exists both inside and outside of the physical body, just like an image exists within and outside of a mirror' Ashtavakra Gita

From Buddhist Priciples for Human Life Dignity
Dr K Sri Dhammannda Nayake Maha Thera (The Chief Resident Monk of the Buddhist Mahavihara. Founder of the Buddhist Missionary Society.)

'The Buddha was the teacher who discovered the real nature of the universal cosmic law and who advised people to live in accordance with this cosmic law. He mentioned that those who violate this law, such as going against nature, must be ready to face the consequences. It is impossible to escape from the reactions of such cosmic laws simply by praying to GOD, because the universal laws are unbiased. After violating (which Archangel Michael calls transgression) the cosmic order of the universal law with negative thoughts there is no other method to get rid of the reaction except by co-operating and conforming with the same cosmic law'

Master Jesus - Gospel of Thomas

The Master said: If two make peace with each other in this single house, they will say to a mountain of distress and trouble "move away" and it shall move.

'what goes into your mouth will not defile you but what comes out of your mouth will defile you' (every thought and word as a vibrational frequency that impacts on your body-mind).

'He who knows the all but fails to have self knowledge lacks everything'

'If you bring forth what you have within you, that which you have will redeem you. If you do not have it within yourselves that which you do not have will kill you'

'Whoever discovers his own self, of him the world is not worthy'.

'Let him who who searches not cease searching until he finds, and when he finds, he will be disturbed, and when he has been disturbed, he will be amazed and he will have dominion over the all' (He is talking about self development here).

The disciples said to Jesus: Tell us how our end will be? Jesus said: Have you found the beginning so that you ask about the end? For where the beginning is, there will be the end also. Blessed is he who shall stand at the beginning and he shall comprehend hte end and he shall not undergo death'.

'Blessed are you who have become unified and have become the elect, for you shall find the Kingdom; because you come from it, and you shall return to it again.'

'If you abstain not from the world, you will not find the Kingdom.
His disciples said:Show us the place where you are,
because it is necessary for us to seek after it.
He said to them:He who has ears let them hear:
There is light at the centre of a man of light
and he illumines the whole world.
If he does not shine, there is darkness.'

Gospel of Mary Magdalene
The teacher answered 'All that is born, all that is created, all the elements of nature are interwoven and united with each other.

'Man is superior to the stars if he lives in the power of superior wisdom.Such a person, being master over heaven and earth, by means of his will, is a magus and magic is not sorcery but supreme wisdom' Paracelsus

'The visible is a symbol of the invisible world' Boehme

'Our essential message to the world is a basic call to consciousness. The destruction of the Native cultures and people is the same process which as destroyed and is destroying life on this planet....That process is Western civilisation. If there is to be a future for all beings on this planet, we must begin to seek the avenues of change' The native american 'The Hau De No Sau Nee' address to the western world 1978.

juantoo3 · 02-05-2005, 03:13 AM

Kindest Regards, Vajradhara!

Thank you most sincerely for the clarification!

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Originally Posted by Vajradhara

the four fundamental forces of the universe are:

Gravity
Weak Nuclear Force
Strong Nuclear Force
Electromagentism

It is great to finally have a simpified explanation. I do recall reading in one of the science magazines some years back that two of the forces, neither of which was gravity, had been integrated into one, at least in one model. Perhaps that model has since been discarded?

Even so, does electromagnetism not show electricity to be among the fundamental components of material existence? I would think this to be in line with the concept of Chi.

BTW, may I presume you have no major objections to my presentation here concerning Yin/Yang and Chi?

Sacredstar · 02-07-2005, 03:31 PM

and there will be new scientific models and a new and different understanding of gravity as the will and intent changes so the scientists will have a new and elevated view of the cosmos.

Blessings in abundance

Kim xx

Vajradhara · 02-07-2005, 09:54 PM

Namaste Sacredstar,

thank you for the post.

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Originally Posted by Sacredstar

Well if you are ever blessed with the ability to see/talk with Buddha yourself I am sure he will help you to understand.

i see. so when i speak to him i'll understad his teachings like you do? thanks, but i think that i would rather learn the teachings properly instead of imputing my own desires and thoughts into the Dharma and thinking that i'm practicing. this is one of the reasons why teachers are important in our tradition.

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His language can not be understood with reasoning and intellectual mind but with a loving heart, not bothering whether it is true or not.

this is not correct within the Buddha Dharma. one is enjoined to study and understand the Abidharma. the Buddha clearly states that we must test his teachings for ourselves to see if they make sense and are condusive to the good of all beings. we must analyze them rational and apply the tests for ourselves.

besides which, hearts don't understand words. consciousnesses do.

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And a moment comes suddenly the light goes on and that which as eluded you your whole life, suddenly what Gautum Buddha called 'eighty-four thousand doors' open.

do you suppose that you could find any support for your assertion in the teachings themselves?

the 84,000 Dharma Doors is a metaphor based on a standard understanding of the number 84,000 that was prevelant in Buddhas time. generally speaking, it's a symbolic number to represent the individual and unique characteristics inherent in beings.

in any case... back to the regularly scheduled discussion....

Vajradhara · 02-07-2005, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Vajradhara!

Thank you most sincerely for the clarification!

It is great to finally have a simpified explanation. I do recall reading in one of the science magazines some years back that two of the forces, neither of which was gravity, had been integrated into one, at least in one model. Perhaps that model has since been discarded?

Even so, does electromagnetism not show electricity to be among the fundamental components of material existence? I would think this to be in line with the concept of Chi.

BTW, may I presume you have no major objections to my presentation here concerning Yin/Yang and Chi?

Namaste Juan,

nice to hear from you.

last things first....

there's nothing you've posted that i strongly disagree with, though i suppose that i could add a bit to the technical side of the discussion, i happen to think that would be counter-productive in the general discourse.

the Strong and Weak force has been integrated into a single "Nuclear force" which is then divided into strong or weak, depending on what you are talking about

complex things explained simply is, for my money, a mark of artistry and genius, which is why my explanations are long, rambing, barely coherent sentence structures

Sacredstar · 02-16-2005, 04:10 PM

a response from a scientist David Hamilton Phd from Glasgow University.

'There is much science that implies truth in your statement, but none that has directly measured it. By implied I mean that some quantum physicists hold that all matter condenses from a field of energy, called the quantum field (Einstein actually wrote: "All matter exists at points in space and time where the Field is extremely intense, but the field is the only reality"). Other quantum physicists extend it to agree with the eastern mystical view that this field is intelligent, since we are consious beings. The science of psychoneuroimmunology has proven that thoughts affect the human body....in fact pschosocial genomics research has gone as far as to prove that it affects gene expression of DNA. This proves that thoughts / emotions / intentions are affecting the field since all biological matter has condensed from the field. Couple this with Carl Jung's idea of the collective consciousness and you can imply that our collective thoughts / feelings / intentions have worldwide biological consequences so also worldly consequences in the nature of events.

Collective balance and imbalance is therefore reflected in the nature of world events. Therefore your statement that physical reality is the barometer of balance versus imbalance is implied by science."