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Old 04-23-2005, 02:26 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Re: Persecution of Jews

I think it's important to point out, too (as James Carroll does so eloquently in Constantine's Sword) that the persecution of the Jews (particularly in Europe), has always been intricately connected with the history of the Catholic Church.

But it's a complex question, with a long history. I've found Anti-Semitism: Myth and Hate from Antiquity to the Present by Marvin Perry and Frederick M. Schweitzer to be an excellent, thorough, and well-contextualized survey of the subject.
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Old 04-23-2005, 06:46 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Re: Persecution of Jews

Isn't it remarkable how Christians think about Jews in our times, e.g. Conscience's post. For most of the history of Christianity, Jews and Judaism were viewed hostily by the Churches, both Catholic and Protestant, and they took their stance from the New Testament which from any objective reading is also clearly anti-Judaism. There is no other way to interpret Jesus' statements in John chapter 8 for example. Yet in our times, it's has become really a new sin to follow these teachings of Christianity which to me, shows us the political power of Jews in high offices, in centers of cultural power, the media and educational networks of our society, and of course, at the center of major world financing. Watch, I predict Brian will caution me for making this statement as being too "anti-Semitic". We don't want to offend our Jewish C-R members, do we? Even though this is truthfully part of the Christian religion and tradition. What do we think Christianity is? A new form of Judaism? No, it is a Rebellion from Judaism. Jesus revolted from the beliefs and practices of the Pharisees and it is from Pharasic Judaism that modern rabbinical Judaism developed.
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Old 04-23-2005, 07:37 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: Persecution of Jews

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Yet in our times, it's has become really a new sin to follow these teachings of Christianity which to me, shows us the political power of Jews in high offices, in centers of cultural power, the media and educational networks of our society, and of course, at the center of major world financing. Watch, I predict Brian will caution me for making this statement as being too "anti-Semitic". We don't want to offend our Jewish C-R members, do we?
Of course I'll reproach you: because you're talking crap, and offensive crap at that.

You're basically stating that the major Christian churches are all controlled by Jews, and that Christians who question the validity of blaming Jews for the death of Jesus - as opposed to any general mob or society in general - do so simply because they've been brainwashed by Jewish control.Right. Got to always blame someone else, huh?

Christianity started as a rebellion within Judaism, not from it - Jesus isn't exactly quoted as kicking dirt in the face of Moses now, is he? There's a difference between rebelling against conformity and the perceived empty ritual machinations of society, and actually making a clear break from cultural boundaries - which is precisely where Paul especially makes his mark.

You've sometimes got some interesting things to say, mosherosh, but you also come across as simply angry and looking for people to strike out at. If you want to be a constructive part of interfaith dialogue, then even critical comment in the right place is fine - but if you want to simply throw rocks, then open a Geocities account and rant all you like as it can't be welcome here.
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