Paul was the first Humanist

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Excaliburton!

Just curious, do you believe we all are guilty of our father's crimes?

Seems to me the curse of the Ten Commandments was on those who hated G-d. For those who love G-d, that curse is removed, and blessings are showered. Are you trying to say there were, and are, those for whom there is no hope for redemption? Under any circumstances?

In other words, there is only one path up the mountain, and you know for a guaranteed fact you are on it, and anyone else is in deep doo-doo?

Just curious...

Hittites and Hivites were among the 7 OT Canaanite tribes with whom Israel was commanded to avoid any covenant forever, and I guess you can interpret that to mean they are not of God and were never to be allowed to mix and mingle with the Israelites. Nehemiah and Ezra confirm this when they commanded the Israelites to divorce their strange wives and strange children.

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Originally Posted by seattlegal

Like I said, you might want to contemplate the entire chapter that Peter has written, and carefully consider the message contained therein.

That sounds nebulous. If you do not make a point, then how can it be refuted or even discussed? With all due respect, that seems evasive.

I would welcome hearing specific talking points that affirm that 2 Peter supports that Paul was considered to be an apostle by Peter (or at least by the author of 2 Peter since many scholars view the book as a pseudograph).

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Originally Posted by juantoo3

Kindest Regards, Excaliburton!

Just curious, do you believe we all are guilty of our father's crimes?

Seems to me the curse of the Ten Commandments was on those who hated G-d. For those who love G-d, that curse is removed, and blessings are showered. Are you trying to say there were, and are, those for whom there is no hope for redemption? Under any circumstances?

In other words, there is only one path up the mountain, and you know for a guaranteed fact you are on it, and anyone else is in deep doo-doo?

Just curious...

I cannot find anything in the OT to support a case that the 7 accursed Canaanite tribes or their seed were eligible for any kind of redemption. YHWH had ordered Israel to destroy them all. And the Hittite and Hivites that comprised Edom were especially singled out for destruction.

Oba 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be [any] remaining of the house of Esau; for the LORD hath spoken [it].