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bgruagach · 03-15-2004, 01:51 AM

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Zazen · 03-15-2004, 03:20 AM

a friend of mine told me this story about a Quija board experience he had, i barely remember how we started talking about it but the original topic was kabbahlism..

Well, a few years back me and a few friends decided to try it out. So
we

bought a board, decided to have fun with it so we set up all the spooky
lighting and **** with the candles and all. And flowers, lol. Everyone
was
sitting around in these stupid meditational lotus positions going
'hummmmm' saying that it would help. Lol, clueless *****, it was
hilarious.

So you're supposed to think of this white energy light and crazy type
****
and make sure that none of us were thinking negative thoughts and
stuff.

And so on...I don't even remember the exact instructions as I was one
ofthe observers (supposed to write down what it was gonna write) since my
clearest memory was the second the indicator actually moved.
So one of the guys decided to have a bright idea and ask it a
personal detail that no one could know. So he asks and we're waiting and he asks
again (which apparently you're not supposed to do, but who gave a
stuff)

and then after a short while, not long, like a minute or so, the ****er
moved. I tell you, it's weird when stuff moves by itself and you know
that no
one is pulling it by a string or something. Table was flat and all,
everyone
was in on it so I don't think it was a scam. I swear, I promptly shat
myself,
and it looked like everyone else did too. It took nearly half a minute
for it to
sink in (the guy who asked the question was staring, he looked like a
sheet and his eyes were popping out, oh god I wish you coulda seen
it..)

and then I just got the hell outta there. About one second later nearly
everyone else was too, except for a couple of hard nuts who had to be
tough, but they didn't last much longer. And the guy who asked the
question (he stayed in with the other two, I think he was frozen to the
spot
poor guy) never told us what it spelt. But until the point where I ran
it
basically started moving around and spelling **** by itself out of the
blue.
Very freaky indeed. We stared at eachother for a minute and then just
cracked up and couldn't stop laughing for nearly ten minutes. Trying to
get
it out of our system I guess.

No-one went back in until the next day and even then we were like
peeking
through the door opening a crack. Eventually we just went in - it was
on

the letter M - and packed it up and left it at that.

btw this guy isnt "crazy" or "wierd" or anything, hes actually pretty intelligent and hes a jew so yknow hes studied alot of that crazy jewish crazyness since he was a kid, just sayin..hes on the ball!

just another Quija story anyhow.. i personally have never even seen one since i was never into the whole 'magic' thing, i just always thought the people who did get into it were scary enough by the way they dressed..

amitabha

bgruagach · 03-15-2004, 05:12 PM

The Ouija board is just a tool and like all tools can be used for a wide range of purposes. I am very hesitant (after 20+ years studying occult topics) to give any credence to stories that bad things were unleashed by using a Ouija board or any other tool. Sure, people can use the tool to impress the gullible by actively cheating. The cheating and gullibility are the real things to be concerned about, rather than the props used to do the deed.

There are other occult tools that work pretty much on the same principles as the Ouija board. Pendulums and dowsing, for instance, also work by someone holding an object which moves to provide information which the person holding it thinks is coming from somewhere else (but is very likely to be coming from their own subconscious.) I find it sort of funny that people are so quick to say "that Ouija board, it's EEEVILLLL!" yet they would be looked at rather odd if they made the same claim about pendulums or dowsing rods. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that there aren't any horror movies out there where an unsuspecting person unleashes invisible horrors by using a pendulum or by dowsing.

Because things like the Ouija board rely on participants holding the device for it to work it's extremely likely that any info which comes through it was already known by one of the participants. I'm not aware of any cases where new information came through which was verified later. (If anyone can point to this type of information I'd love to hear it.) It's always stuff that the participants already knew although they might not have been thinking about it consciously, or is made-up stuff or impossible-to-verify stuff that the participants expect.

People who want to try out these types of divination tools, whether the Ouija board or pendulums or whatever, who are concerned about the "safety" of it, can always do whatever protection routines they prefer like casting a circle, saying a prayer, or wearing holy protective charms before starting the experiment. Keep in mind though that anything you learn from a Ouija board or a pendulum or dowsing methods will be highly unlikely to do anything except confirm what you already know. It is helpful to bring out things you might have been avoiding, but it's still not really new information. And since it's stuff you already know it's highly unlikely that you'll get any information that will really challenge your worldview. If you're Christian, for instance, I highly doubt it will start extolling the virtues of Shintoism unless one of the participants already knows something about it.

As a Wiccan, if I were to engage in a Ouija session with some friends and the board started preaching Christian messages at me, I'd confront the participants to find out who was the one who was trying to convert us all? It tells me more about what is on the minds of the participants than anything about a potential unseen world.

9Harmony · 03-15-2004, 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgruagach

I'm not aware of any cases where new information came through which was verified later. (If anyone can point to this type of information I'd love to hear it.) It's always stuff that the participants already knew although they might not have been thinking about it consciously, or is made-up stuff or impossible-to-verify stuff that the participants expect.

30 some years ago, my family had one and we used to have alot of fun with it. Lot's of strange occurrances. All in good fun. My aunt then must have had a bad experience and warned everyone to dispose of them. Which my mother did.

But in reference to the above comment. One time, I'm not sure who we were talking to, they told us that there was a treasure in the 3rd step of a pyramid in the Yucatan, the treasure consisted of burnt books and golden idols, but then it said beware of headhunters. We used to joke about going to the Yucatan and looking for this supposed treasure, but we were scared of the headhunters

. A few years ago there was a National Geographic program on tv which I was just kind of half listening to, but I heard them say that a treasure had been discovered in a pyramid in the Yucatan, consisting of burnt books and golden idols. Needless to say I was shocked.

I haven't played with a oujia board since i was a kid. And I have no intention of trying it again, but I have fond memories of the times we spent with it.

Loving Greetings, Harmony

bgruagach · 03-15-2004, 10:36 PM

RE: Unknown information coming through a Ouija board to be later verified

Quote:

Originally Posted by 9Harmony

A few years ago there was a National Geographic program on tv which I was just kind of half listening to, but I heard them say that a treasure had been discovered in a pyramid in the Yucatan, consisting of burnt books and golden idols. Needless to say I was shocked.

That is quite an interesting story although I have to admit it doesn't really convince me. I can make predictions now about finding interesting things at archeological sites around the world (like saying "writing will be discovered" or "precious stones will be discovered" or "religious artifacts will be discovered") and chances are very high that it will be true. No special knowledge is required.

A better proof would be for a spirit to come through and provide its name and some details about where it lived and when. This sort of information could be verified. But even this proof can be questionable if the name is very common and nothing more than a good guess.

Zazen · 03-16-2004, 12:46 AM

"after 20+ years studying occult topics"

was it worth it? did you ever learn anything concrete?

amitabha

bgruagach · 03-16-2004, 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zazen

"after 20+ years studying occult topics"

was it worth it? did you ever learn anything concrete?

I've learned that there is a huge amount that we really don't know about, particularly about how the mind works, our place in the universe, and whether we are the only intelligence (corporeal or not) in existence.

There is a lot that we humans are capable of that we often mistakenly attribute to outside forces. And there are a lot of things we tend to think of as being in our control that really isn't.

Love is a huge and very powerful force that really deserves a lot more conscious attention.

Creativity is a very primal way of touching the Divine. And the Divine really does dwell, at least in part, within each and every one of us.

I, Brian · 03-16-2004, 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgruagach

I've learned that there is a huge amount that we really don't know about, particularly about how the mind works, our place in the universe, and whether we are the only intelligence (corporeal or not) in existence.

There is a lot that we humans are capable of that we often mistakenly attribute to outside forces. And there are a lot of things we tend to think of as being in our control that really isn't.

Love is a huge and very powerful force that really deserves a lot more conscious attention.

Creativity is a very primal way of touching the Divine. And the Divine really does dwell, at least in part, within each and every one of us.

We should put that reply somewhere far more visible - good post, Ben.

Nogodnomasters · 03-17-2004, 03:29 AM

The Ouija board is a lot of fun. I grew up with one, I used to play it with my mother while other kids played monopoly. I eventually introduced a few of them to the board. We grew bored of the board because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how it works and trust me-there is no magic or spirits involved.

Mom also played Ouija board with my kid sister, who was given the looks in the family. About 20 some years ago when Mom died my sister took it very hard and didn't know what to do with her life and asked me to help her to contact Mom with the Ouija board.

Well my sister asked all kind of questions and the board gave her all kind of answers. She was convinced she was talking to Mom's spirit or at least some kind of spirit.

When I joined the rank of the non-believers, my sister could not believe it. She questioned me. "How do you explain all those answers with the Ouija board after Mom died?"

I confessed. "I moved the piece" I told her.

Keep the board nice and smooth- it requires only a very light touch to make the pointer glide across the surface.

Demons my butt.

And us 9 nine year kids who stopped using the Ouija board? We knew when the Gruber boys were moving it because all of a sudden the spirit couldn't spell worth a darn. Want to put a real stopper in the Ouija board nonsense? Just ask it a question neither one who uses the board can answer, but can be easily looked up like, "Spell the Russian word for foot."

All of a sudden your demon is a moron.

Susma Rio Sep · 03-17-2004, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nogodnomasters

....

Demons my butt.

And us 9 nine year kids who stopped using the Ouija board? We knew when the Gruber boys were moving it because all of a sudden the spirit couldn't spell worth a darn. Want to put a real stopper in the Ouija board nonsense? Just ask it a question neither one who uses the board can answer, but can be easily looked up like, "Spell the Russian word for foot."

All of a sudden your demon is a moron.

Nogo, that's a very good evisceration of the Ouija genie.

I agree with your position that any movements taking place with the Ouija pointer is from the participants, whether knowingly or granting for the sake of argument unknowingly.

But there are still believers who won't accept this explanation; they maintain the movements may come from the participants but are dictated by spirits, demons, or invisible entities. So the genie is still there.

And there are genies who don't know Russian; for genies are like people who might know only one language.

I think we must produce a more versatile stratagem to take away all the refuges of the genie, the method consisting in first allowing that the Ouija genie does indeed exist, but then showing that it is a feeble and ignorant thereby inutile genie; for when it is challenged on knowledge of facts and physical prowess, which are the things really useful in the real world, the genie will certainly flunk.

You have shown how it is ignorant of a simple fact as the word in Russian for shoe. Now, as regards information that is divorced totally from facts, like whether some deceased person is in hell or heaven, the supposed dictation of the genie is gratuitous speculation, bereft of any argumentative force.

What about the feeble strength of the genie? Let's consider again the exercise I described in two earlier posts, about a robust guy pushing the pointer to spell out at least innocuous messages, and being able to overcome any movements from other sources whatever. That shows that the genie if it be present can be overcome by plain muscle power of a guy who is out to discredit him.

These two tests, the one on knowledge of facts and the other on physical power can convince thinking people that even granting some kind of genie be present, it is an inutile genie, good only for amusement; that's why the Ouija Board is a game.

Susma Rio Sep

suanni · 05-08-2004, 05:37 PM

Demons? More like angered spirits if you're unlucky.

Many do go playing with the Ouija and experience nothing more than the scare, giggle that they were seeking, some are not so lucky.
But I do have very definite opinions on the board and I believe I have already given them. I suppose its going to be a case of agree to disagree on the subject. For those who wish to connect with the spirit world, the spirits who wish to communicate with the living will do so anyway, they always find a method.
A friend of mine has recently had to deal with the consequences of the Ouija when its gone wrong. I am not going to go into the full story it is hers, and I am not plagurising the site so if you wish to read the story.
http://www.ghostwatch.org.uk/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=21&TopicID=44&Pa gePosition=1
I also lived in a house that bore the consequences of someone playing with the board and brought 2 spirits through. One was no problem, I could live with it. The other. I have no idea what it was, whether it was a poltergeist or merely energy of some sort, it didn't communicate....although I suppose it did. I ended up in hospital 3 times through it.
I don't hold my opinions upon the board without good reason.

spiritman51 · 09-23-2004, 07:25 AM

Hello my experience with the Ouija board and spirit communication goes back to my childhood. My brother, sister and myself were mediumistic and held "sittings" as children. As an adult I have sat in the medium's cabinet and have done trance mediumship and my brother is a remote viewer ala the Monroe Institue.
A lot of good has come through the Ouija Board. Jane Roberts used the Ouija Board for the "Seth Material" which had a great impact on a lot of alternative (new age) spirituality. Also, I have just read that Paul Foster Case, Harriet Case and Ann Davies recieved information from "Master R" for part of the "Book of Tokens". Case and Davis were founders of B.O.T.A. (Builders of the Adytum).
Like any tool, the Ouija board can be tricky especially in untrained hands. Usually the Ouija is a begining tool, however, I used one several years ago ( for old times sake) and did make some contact with a " brother John" , but found the communication easier sitting as a trance medium. I believe that Spiritualism and Spiritism are valid religions...thanks for listening, Phillip.

Ryuuko · 10-11-2004, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suanni

The tarot. Aah, now there can be many takes on that one. Some people actually see the tarot as evil and there are many superstitions associated with the cards. Those who use the Tarot know that the cards guide and no more. The future is not set. No spirit is called upon for a reading and this may be the difference. In the use of the Ouija, spirits are called upon, and it is often assumed that the spirits know what is to come and that they never lie. That is not true.

Namasté Suanni,

Sorry for the delayed reply; I just joined this thread. You echo my thoughts exactly--the Tarot does not invoke spirits--they simply guide and no more. Like Bgruagach mentioned a bit later in the discussion, tools such as the Tarot, pendulums and dowsing rods tell you pretty much what you already know. Many accomplished authors in this field will say the same.

As for me, I stay far away from the Ouija board.

03-15-2004, 03:20 AM	#17 (permalink)
Zazen General Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: CT Posts: 131	a story! a friend of mine told me this story about a Quija board experience he had, i barely remember how we started talking about it but the original topic was kabbahlism.. Well, a few years back me and a few friends decided to try it out. So we bought a board, decided to have fun with it so we set up all the spooky lighting and ** with the candles and all. And flowers, lol. Everyone was sitting around in these stupid meditational lotus positions going 'hummmmm' saying that it would help. Lol, clueless *, it was hilarious. So you're supposed to think of this white energy light and crazy type and make sure that none of us were thinking negative thoughts and stuff. And so on...I don't even remember the exact instructions as I was one ofthe observers (supposed to write down what it was gonna write) since my clearest memory was the second the indicator actually moved. So one of the guys decided to have a bright idea and ask it a personal detail that no one could know. So he asks and we're waiting and he asks again (which apparently you're not supposed to do, but who gave a stuff) and then after a short while, not long, like a minute or so, the er moved. I tell you, it's weird when stuff moves by itself and you know that no one is pulling it by a string or something. Table was flat and all, everyone was in on it so I don't think it was a scam. I swear, I promptly shat myself, and it looked like everyone else did too. It took nearly half a minute for it to sink in (the guy who asked the question was staring, he looked like a sheet and his eyes were popping out, oh god I wish you coulda seen it..) and then I just got the hell outta there. About one second later nearly everyone else was too, except for a couple of hard nuts who had to be tough, but they didn't last much longer. And the guy who asked the question (he stayed in with the other two, I think he was frozen to the spot poor guy) never told us what it spelt. But until the point where I ran it basically started moving around and spelling ** by itself out of the blue. Very freaky indeed. We stared at eachother for a minute and then just cracked up and couldn't stop laughing for nearly ten minutes. Trying to get it out of our system I guess. No-one went back in until the next day and even then we were like peeking through the door opening a crack. Eventually we just went in - it was on the letter M - and packed it up and left it at that. btw this guy isnt "crazy" or "wierd" or anything, hes actually pretty intelligent and hes a jew so yknow hes studied alot of that crazy jewish crazyness since he was a kid, just sayin..hes on the ball! just another Quija story anyhow.. i personally have never even seen one since i was never into the whole 'magic' thing, i just always thought the people who did get into it were scary enough by the way they dressed.. amitabha

03-16-2004, 12:46 AM	#21 (permalink)
Zazen General Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: CT Posts: 131	magic? "after 20+ years studying occult topics" was it worth it? did you ever learn anything concrete? amitabha

09-23-2004, 07:25 AM	#27 (permalink)
spiritman51 New Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, California U.S.A. Posts: 26	Re: Ouija Boards Hello my experience with the Ouija board and spirit communication goes back to my childhood. My brother, sister and myself were mediumistic and held "sittings" as children. As an adult I have sat in the medium's cabinet and have done trance mediumship and my brother is a remote viewer ala the Monroe Institue. A lot of good has come through the Ouija Board. Jane Roberts used the Ouija Board for the "Seth Material" which had a great impact on a lot of alternative (new age) spirituality. Also, I have just read that Paul Foster Case, Harriet Case and Ann Davies recieved information from "Master R" for part of the "Book of Tokens". Case and Davis were founders of B.O.T.A. (Builders of the Adytum). Like any tool, the Ouija board can be tricky especially in untrained hands. Usually the Ouija is a begining tool, however, I used one several years ago ( for old times sake) and did make some contact with a " brother John" , but found the communication easier sitting as a trance medium. I believe that Spiritualism and Spiritism are valid religions...thanks for listening, Phillip.

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03-15-2004, 01:51 AM	#16 (permalink)
bgruagach a mod in "Alternative" Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oakville ON Canada Posts: 473	*Moderator Warning* Please remember that this is an interfaith messageboard. All participants are expected to read and abide by the Code of Conduct posted in the News section (direct link to that thread is here.) We encourage all participants to share the perspectives of their own religious paths, and to express their own opinions freely. It is acceptable to disagree on topics. However, we also expect all participants to be respectful of other religious paths and differing opinions. We discourage messages which are condescending of other paths, or which belittle other paths, or which are clearly inflammatory towards other paths or points of view. Please also attempt to follow standard email and messageboard etiquette by not copying and pasting whole posts (especially your own) to repeat them in the same thread. It wastes space and the repetition of material does not further the discussion. *End Moderator Warning*

03-15-2004, 05:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
bgruagach a mod in "Alternative" Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Oakville ON Canada Posts: 473	The Ouija board is just a tool and like all tools can be used for a wide range of purposes. I am very hesitant (after 20+ years studying occult topics) to give any credence to stories that bad things were unleashed by using a Ouija board or any other tool. Sure, people can use the tool to impress the gullible by actively cheating. The cheating and gullibility are the real things to be concerned about, rather than the props used to do the deed. There are other occult tools that work pretty much on the same principles as the Ouija board. Pendulums and dowsing, for instance, also work by someone holding an object which moves to provide information which the person holding it thinks is coming from somewhere else (but is very likely to be coming from their own subconscious.) I find it sort of funny that people are so quick to say "that Ouija board, it's EEEVILLLL!" yet they would be looked at rather odd if they made the same claim about pendulums or dowsing rods. I think a lot of it has to do with the fact that there aren't any horror movies out there where an unsuspecting person unleashes invisible horrors by using a pendulum or by dowsing. Because things like the Ouija board rely on participants holding the device for it to work it's extremely likely that any info which comes through it was already known by one of the participants. I'm not aware of any cases where new information came through which was verified later. (If anyone can point to this type of information I'd love to hear it.) It's always stuff that the participants already knew although they might not have been thinking about it consciously, or is made-up stuff or impossible-to-verify stuff that the participants expect. People who want to try out these types of divination tools, whether the Ouija board or pendulums or whatever, who are concerned about the "safety" of it, can always do whatever protection routines they prefer like casting a circle, saying a prayer, or wearing holy protective charms before starting the experiment. Keep in mind though that anything you learn from a Ouija board or a pendulum or dowsing methods will be highly unlikely to do anything except confirm what you already know. It is helpful to bring out things you might have been avoiding, but it's still not really new information. And since it's stuff you already know it's highly unlikely that you'll get any information that will really challenge your worldview. If you're Christian, for instance, I highly doubt it will start extolling the virtues of Shintoism unless one of the participants already knows something about it. As a Wiccan, if I were to engage in a Ouija session with some friends and the board started preaching Christian messages at me, I'd confront the participants to find out who was the one who was trying to convert us all? It tells me more about what is on the minds of the participants than anything about a potential unseen world.

03-17-2004, 03:29 AM	#24 (permalink)
Nogodnomasters General Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: SC Posts: 192	The Ouija board is a lot of fun. I grew up with one, I used to play it with my mother while other kids played monopoly. I eventually introduced a few of them to the board. We grew bored of the board because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out how it works and trust me-there is no magic or spirits involved. Mom also played Ouija board with my kid sister, who was given the looks in the family. About 20 some years ago when Mom died my sister took it very hard and didn't know what to do with her life and asked me to help her to contact Mom with the Ouija board. Well my sister asked all kind of questions and the board gave her all kind of answers. She was convinced she was talking to Mom's spirit or at least some kind of spirit. When I joined the rank of the non-believers, my sister could not believe it. She questioned me. "How do you explain all those answers with the Ouija board after Mom died?" I confessed. "I moved the piece" I told her. Keep the board nice and smooth- it requires only a very light touch to make the pointer glide across the surface. Demons my butt. And us 9 nine year kids who stopped using the Ouija board? We knew when the Gruber boys were moving it because all of a sudden the spirit couldn't spell worth a darn. Want to put a real stopper in the Ouija board nonsense? Just ask it a question neither one who uses the board can answer, but can be easily looked up like, "Spell the Russian word for foot." All of a sudden your demon is a moron.

05-08-2004, 05:37 PM	#26 (permalink)
suanni Confused Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NE, England Posts: 184	Demons? More like angered spirits if you're unlucky. Many do go playing with the Ouija and experience nothing more than the scare, giggle that they were seeking, some are not so lucky. But I do have very definite opinions on the board and I believe I have already given them. I suppose its going to be a case of agree to disagree on the subject. For those who wish to connect with the spirit world, the spirits who wish to communicate with the living will do so anyway, they always find a method. A friend of mine has recently had to deal with the consequences of the Ouija when its gone wrong. I am not going to go into the full story it is hers, and I am not plagurising the site so if you wish to read the story. http://www.ghostwatch.org.uk/forum/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=21&TopicID=44&Pa gePosition=1 I also lived in a house that bore the consequences of someone playing with the board and brought 2 spirits through. One was no problem, I could live with it. The other. I have no idea what it was, whether it was a poltergeist or merely energy of some sort, it didn't communicate....although I suppose it did. I ended up in hospital 3 times through it. I don't hold my opinions upon the board without good reason.