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[Postmaster]

Thank you Vajradhara, it sounds very interesting. To me that story reminds me of childhood, although I've grown to be larger, have greater ability and greater thoughts however so different I am, I'm still my original self in there.

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Thank you Vajradhara, it sounds very interesting. To me that story reminds me of childhood, although I've grown to be larger, have greater ability and greater thoughts however so different I am, I'm still my original self in there.

Namaste Postmaster,

thank you for the response.

what is your "original self"?

i would posit that if your self is capable of change, then it is not the same as it was and it is not now, the same as it will be. it may contain elements that are the same from moment to moment yet it, per se, is not the same.

it is rather like the saying that you cannot step into the same river twice... the river is constantly undergoing change.

[Postmaster]

Thank you Vajradhara, I believe this is where our thinking splits You see I personally believe that I have a purest and most fundamental part of my existence which many go about to call a soul and know matter what, that's the only part of me that counts the most for which ever journey, appearance or situation I'm in. It would be a shame to rename a river every time you enter it.

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Thank you Vajradhara, I believe this is where our thinking splits You see I personally believe that I have a purest and most fundamental part of my existence which many go about to call a soul and know matter what, that's the only part of me that counts the most for which ever journey, appearance or situation I'm in. It would be a shame to rename a river every time you enter it.

Namaste Postmaster,

not rename... re-experience. the river is constantly undergoing change.. by despoiting sediment and taking in new sediment et al.

heck.. this should be right up your alley, it's a Greek expression



Heraclitus of Ephesus (Greek Ηρακλειτος Herakleitos) (about 535 - 475 BC), known as 'The Obscure,' was a pre-Socratic Greek philosopher. He disagreed with Thales, Anaximander, and Pythagoras about the nature of the ultimate substance and claimed instead that everything is derived from the Greek classical element fire, rather than from air, water, or earth. This led to the belief that change is real, and stability illusory. For Heraclitus everything is "in flux", as exemplified in his famous aphorism "Panta Rhei":

Παντα ρει και ουδεν μενει
Everything flows, nothing stands still

He is famous for saying: "No man can cross the same river twice, because neither the man nor the river are the same."

http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/en...eraclitus.html

[Abogado del Diablo]

Originally Posted by Vajradhara

Namaste Postmaster,

not rename... re-experience. the river is constantly undergoing change.. by despoiting sediment and taking in new sediment et al.

heck.. this should be right up your alley, it's a Greek expression





Heraclitus of Ephesus (Greek Ηρακλειτος Herakleitos) (about 535 - 475 BC), known as 'The Obscure,' was a pre-Socratic Greek philosopher. He disagreed with Thales, Anaximander, and Pythagoras about the nature of the ultimate substance and claimed instead that everything is derived from the Greek classical element fire, rather than from air, water, or earth. This led to the belief that change is real, and stability illusory. For Heraclitus everything is "in flux", as exemplified in his famous aphorism "Panta Rhei":

Παντα ρει και ουδεν μενει

Everything flows, nothing stands still

He is famous for saying: "No man can cross the same river twice, because neither the man nor the river are the same."


http://www.brainyencyclopedia.com/en...eraclitus.html

He is also credited with the first ideas about the Logos or "Divine Word" that became such a central part of Neo-Platonism and Christianity centuries later.

[Postmaster]

Maybe one of the worlds first false prophets

I wonder how famous he became from his originality and suckers

Many present day scientists believe they have even come across the most fundamental substance of every part of the universe and life, known as the string theory, they claim everything is made out of nothing more but vibrating strings and they even vibrate on frequencies that our dimension can't grasp.. It is a theory but it's certainly causing a stir in the science world. http://superstringtheory.com/

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Maybe one of the worlds first false prophets

I wonder how famous he became from his originality and suckers

Many present day scientists believe they have even come across the most fundamental substance of every part of the universe and life, known as the string theory, they claim everything is made out of nothing more but vibrating strings and they even vibrate on frequencies that our dimension can't grasp.. It is a theory but it's certainly causing a stir in the science world. http://superstringtheory.com/

gravity is a theory as well... but we're fairly confident concerning it... well.. except at the quantum level... but... that's what Drs. Hawking and Turok are for

[Postmaster]

Some scientists are saying that Gravity should be allot stronger by comparison and mathematics, they believe using this theory that gravity is weaker then it should be because some of it seeps off into an other dimension.. They are even conducting experiments in America and Europe to prove this, if they do it will drastically change our understanding of life and all in existence.
http://www.newscientist.com/channel/...mg18624957.300

I'll stick £10 they will be right, even if they can't prove it.

[Postmaster]

I just realised how this theory of mine relates to the stroy of adam and eve.... in some fundamental ways.

[Awaiting_the_fifth]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

I personally believe that I have a purest and most fundamental part of my existence which many go about to call a soul and know matter what, that's the only part of me that counts the most for which ever journey, appearance or situation I'm in.

I totally agree with you on that one PM. I avoid the word soul. I would call it, as Geshe Kelsang Gyatso does, the Subtle Mind.

It is my understanding and belief that when any sentient being dies, the Gross mind which incorporates the developed personality, the memories, everything that we have built around ourselves in this life dies. Only the Subtle mind goes on, that most integral part of each of us. At the moment of death the subtle mind forms the bardo, the intermediate state, and eventually enters a new life where a new gross mind builds up again in conjunction with the subtle to produce a new personality.

Because of this, I have absolutely no fear of death (although I would rather live this life as long as I can because I am quite enjoying it). In a funny way Im actually looking foreward to the experience of death the way we might look foreward to the experience of dreaming at night, even though we are fairly sure we will have no memory of it in the morning.