Noahs ark discovered?

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

Ok if you think about it.. Most bugs could have simply been eggs laying in the fur of the animals and it wasnt necessary to house animals birds fish and bugs that could survive in water. God guided the animals to the ark.. Dont you think he would have thought about planting some eggs in the fur? hmm food for thought.

Sounds itchy.

[Bandit]

Seeing that I was accused of posting a link to SPAM in the forum beliefs and spiritual (which I am not real pleased about, because I thought this CR was for people to discuss beliefs and I did NOT post a link to SPAM)

Here is a copy and paste with no link -on some bugs and how they survive floods and storms. Some of them actually multiply faster with water and moist condittions.

I am glad everyone thinks this is funny. I am sure there was a lot more wood floating around than just the ark.




Insect Problems Often Follow Floods, Other Disasters

Distributed 09/03/04

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Certain insect problems increase dramatically after flooding, windstorms and other disasters, according to entomologists with the LSU AgCenter.

"Homes are subject to fire ant problems during and after flooding," says LSU AgCenter entomologist Dr. Dennis Ring, adding, "Fire ants often will float around in water and attach themselves to whatever is out of the water."

Ring says that Acephate (Address, Orthene) and baits may be applied to control these pests, and he says bait applications inside the house and acephate along the outside perimeter of the house usually will take care of the problem.

"As floodwaters recede, higher grounds may become heavily infested with fire ants," Ring says.

If these infested areas are where people will be living or working, entomologists say the areas can be treated with one of several baits either by broadcast treatment or by using about 1 tablespoon to 5 tablespoons per mound. They also can be treated with a drench treatment consisting of 1 tablespoon of 75 percent Orthene per 1 gallon of water or applying 1 teaspoon to 2 teaspoons of the material per mound, the entomologists say.

Ring says to pour the drench mixture on the mound slowly so it will penetrate down into the colony –using 2 to 3 quarts per mound.

Another problem that can follow flooding are large groups of wasps found in yards and around plants, says LSU AgCenter entomologist Dr. Dale Pollet, who explains the wasps feed on grubs in the soil.

"High water pushes these grubs closer to the soil surface, and they are more available to the wasps," Pollet explains, adding, however, that the wasps he saw during the state’s last bout of major flooding were Tiphiids, which do not sting. "Whether they would sting is a major concern for people who see them in their yards, but they usually hover just over the surface, fly quickly and are very seldom observed landing.

"But we realize the high numbers in certain areas create anxiety."

Other problems after flooding or storms also have been known to come from filth flies, blow flies and smoky brown cockroaches.

For example, the entomologists say adult flies will lay eggs in decaying or rotting food materials. The immature fly larvae, called maggots, hatch in one or two days, feed for five to 10 days, then pupate. Then more adults emerge in as little as seven to eight days, producing large numbers of flies.

"Sanitation and cleanup are important in preventing the flies," Ring says. "If such problems occur, spray wall surfaces with malathion or other household insecticides. In kitchen areas, use space sprays that contain pyrethrins to kill flying insects."

Smoky brown cockroaches usually live outside and come inside to feed, according to entomologists.

"However, during heavy rain, they may invade houses in larger numbers," Pollet says. "Applications of insecticides containing permethrin may be made to infested areas and around doorways, windows and so forth on the outside."

Most labeled household insecticides will be effective against the smoky browns, the entomologists say, adding, however, that you may want to call a professional pest control operator for additional assistance in combating some of these pests.

In another area of insect problems, the LSU AgCenter entomologists point out that trees often are damaged during a storm, which gives entry to such insects as wood borers, Southern Pine beetles, Ips beetles and so forth.

"Those insects will attack an injured or weakened tree much more readily than they will a healthy one," Pollet cautions, adding, "Sometimes tree roots will be damaged during a windstorm, and the tree may not show symptoms for several months."

Injured pine tree trunks should be sprayed thoroughly with Permethrin, the entomologists recommend.

Carpenter ants also will frequently infest broken limbs and invade houses from infested trees after a storm. These insects do not feed on wood but simply nest in the wood. In general, they are scavengers.

"Control of carpenter ants can be obtained by removing tree limbs and branches from roofs and making sure no limbs come in direct contact with the house," Ring says. "But if problems persist, it may be necessary to spray infested areas of the house with a 0.5 percent solution of malathion or use a bait."

In addition, the trunks of infested trees may require spraying to control the pests in the house, he says, adding that the bottom 1 foot to 2 feet of the house also may require spraying if problems persist.

Moving to another insect problem, Pollet says yellow jackets are highly attracted to sap from trees, sugars and souring foods, and they often will attack people around such objects.

"Yellow jackets also are attracted to people sweating and will sting if disturbed," he cautions.

To control yellow jackets, the entomologists recommend surface applications of 1 percent malathion.

"When working in the yard, keep a pressurized can containing pyrethrin handy to spray the flying yellow jackets and honeybees if they attack," Pollet says, adding, "Areas containing sour foods should be cleaned and washed thoroughly. If necessary, make a residual application of malathion."

Some hardwoods, especially pecan wood, are susceptible to such wood borers as the long-horned beetles. So the entomologists say when you are cutting storm-damaged trees for firewood, be sure to cover the wood so rain does not continue to keep the wood wet, encouraging borer survival.

"Under good, dry conditions, oak wood will carry over from one year to the next," Pollet says. "Pecan firewood, even under dry conditions, does not carry over from one year to the next very well. So try to burn pecan wood during the first year it has been cut."

On the other hand, Ring notes borers that attack firewood rarely infest houses.

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Bandit

Seeing that I was accused of posting a link to SPAM in the forum beliefs and spiritual (which I am not real pleased about, because I thought this CR was for people to discuss beliefs and I did NOT post a link to SPAM)

Here is a copy and paste with no link -on some bugs and how they survive floods and storms. Some of them actually multiply faster with water and moist condittions.

I am glad everyone thinks this is funny. I am sure there was a lot more wood floating around than just the ark.

Dear Bandit,

I hope that my post did not add to your bad day--it certainly was not intended that way at all. I was being most sincere when I said that your reply was great, the part about God being joyous in Noah's obedience and then lovingly taking care of all. I think this gets at the message of the Ark and so it is more important than anything I or anyone else has said in this thread so far.

I have been trying to be lighthearted here and I can see that, as usual, I have been clumsy at trying to pull it off. But please do not think I was making fun of you or your post. Apologies for any misconceptions.

Peace,
lunamoth

p.s. being of the lepidopteran family myself perhaps that is why I focused on bugs

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

Dear Bandit,

I hope that my post did not add to your bad day--it certainly was not intended that way at all. I was being most sincere when I said that your reply was great, the part about God being joyous in Noah's obedience and then lovingly taking care of all. I think this gets at the message of the Ark and so it is more important than anything I or anyone else has said in this thread so far.

I have been trying to be lighthearted here and I can see that, as usual, I have been clumsy at trying to pull it off. But please do not think I was making fun of you or your post. Apologies for any misconceptions.

Peace,
lunamoth

p.s. being of the lepidopteran family myself perhaps that is why I focused on bugs

Nah, it is not you at all lunamoth.
I have thought about all the creatures and how they would be in a flood that way also. I just wanted to have a discussion on the knowledge of God and the knowledge of good and evil and one of the moderators pretty much through out the entire context and called it Spam and there was no spam on the page I linked to. It was not fair, nor was it right.

I have a big interest in horticulture and entomology. So I thought that would be a better approach on the thread also. I live on two acres and it is really cool to see this land in the way it it is so different from the street and as you walk back through the woods during the spring through fall.

I think if someone wants to believe the Ark story for today, it is more of a TYPE of todays circumstances rather than the animals and creatures. The whole earth is covered in gross darkness (so to speak). The Ark is safety from it.
Then I thought everyone would rather look for 'evidence' because that is what science does. I was in one flood where the water sat for about 2 months and the bugs did not die. In fact it was worse that year after the weather turned nice with more bugs than I ever remember.

I guess the sad part to me is even if the Ark of gopher wood were preserved in the ice, man would still have to go up there and pick pick pick, it apart. Then 10 years later it would still be controversy clear down to the centimeter. No physical evidence in the world is going to bring man to God because He is a Spirit. So that is not something I am interested in trying ot do for obvious reasons. LOL.

That is what it was. Noah was a faithful servant and he found grace before the age of grace. So I can tell when someone is being funny and when someone is making fun. I know you are just trying to have fun too.

So here is an Apology to you from me, in case I say something one day that may be taken with the wrong intent.

[Faithfulservant]

i thought that article was a great resource for this thread and thank you for reposting it.

[Friend]

Salaamu Alyckum all
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The Qur'an and Noah's Ark

Source: The Observer (by Martin Wroe)

Article ID : NMM020004

LONDON -- Noah's Ark has been found on the Turkish-Iranian border, 32 kilometers from Mount Ararat, according to the leader of a team of scientists that has been investigating the site for six years.

The Turkish government is so convinced by the findings that, after years of intransigence, it has designated the site one of special archaeological interest and agreed to its excavation next summer.

The remote site contains a buried, ship-like object, resting an altitude of 2,300 meters. At 170 meters long and 45 meters wide, it conforms almost exactly to the 300 cubit by 50 cubit boat that God told Noah to build, according to Genesis 6 in the Bible.

On surrounding terrain, the American and Middle Eastern scientists have identified huge stones with holes carved at one end, which they believe are "drogue-stones," dragged behind ships in the ancient world to stabilize them. Radar soundings indicate unusual levels of iron-oxide distribution.

Salih Bayraktutan, head of geology at Turkey's Ataturk University, estimates the age of the 'vessel' at more than 100,000 years. "It is a man-made structure and for sure it is Noah's Ark." The site is directly below the mountain of Al Judi, named in the Koran as the Ark's resting place.

David Fasold, an American shipwreck specialist with no religious affiliation, has led the investigation. He says subsurface radar surveys of the site have produced "very good pictures." "The radar imagery at about 25 meters down from the stern is so clear that you can count the floorboards between the walls."

He believes the team has found the fossilised remains of the upper deck and that the original reed substructure has disappeared. But the findings have infuriated the scores of Christian Ark-hunters who travel to Turkey, convinced the Ark will only be found on Mount Ararat.

Fasold, who calls himself an "Archeologist," also argues that it was not a great flood that pushed the Ark into the mountains. He says it was "an astronomical event causing a tectonic upheaval, a tidal bore causing gravitational pull in the ocean waters that forced the boat into the mountains."

Some of Fasold's team of geophysicists and geologists are reserving final judgment until the excavation and carbon-dating. But in a British TV series on the environment next month, team member Vendyl Jones, a Middle East archaeologist and inspiration for film character Indiana Jones, says it is "between maybe and probably" that they have found Noah's Ark.

Now let us see what Allah said in Al Quraan about that :

The Quranic verse detailing about the resting place of the Noah's Ark is found in Chapter Hud, verse 44 (Quran 11:44). The verse says:

When the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy water and O sky! withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!"

The 49th verse of the same Chapter says:

Such are some of the stories of the Unseen which We have revealed unto you: before this neither you nor your people knew them. So persevere patiently: for the end is for those who are righteous .





Thanks to all

[Cordoba]

Originally Posted by Friend

Noah's Ark has been found on the Turkish-Iranian border, 32 kilometers from Mount Ararat, according to the leader of a team of scientists that has been investigating the site for six years.

The Turkish government is so convinced by the findings that, after years of intransigence, it has designated the site one of special archaeological interest and agreed to its excavation next summer.

Is this article dated 2004?

Do you know of any later news on the excavations?

[Friend]

Originally Posted by Cordoba

Is this article dated 2004?

Do you know of any later news on the excavations?

Salaam

I doesn't know any later news about this subject .I think this article was By Martin Wroe for The Observer, January 16th 1994
Also this article return back to these sources :
http://www.muslimworld.co.uk/noah.htm

http://www.voiceforislam.com/


http://www.islamonline.net/english/Science/2002/10/article07.shtml

[Cordoba]

Salam and thank you for your answer.

A year ago, the National Geographic web site had news of a similar expedition going to Turkey for excavations:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._noahsark.html

Since then, there hasn't been much in the news.

Time to visit Turkey?

[17th Angel]

Nice...