Name of Jesus

[Mus Zibii]

I'm by no means a scholar, and I'll readily admit that this notion is based on amateur speculation. So take pity on me.

Anyway, with the popularity of Mel Gibson's crap movie 'The Passion' I've started hearing one time anglo-obsessed Christians referring to Jesus as Yeshua. I can't help but wonder why this name wasn't transliterated into Greek or Latin as Joshua as opposed to Jesus.

In the Talmud and Jewish traditions of Jesus his name was 'parodied' with the acronym Yimach Shemo Uzzikhrono (Talmud has a lot of obscure humor once its pointed out, like a New Yorker cartoon). Romanizing Yeshu would likely include the adding of the arbitrary (I'm sure there's a reason for it) additional S.

It doesn't seem natural that the romantic Greek rendering of the semitic name would result in Jesus. So I wondered if the adopted (yeah, I know its from the fourth century, not an air-tight theory, never said it was) Yimach Shemo Uzzikhrono might've been mistaken by gentiles as a name rather than a rude title.

[Quesocoatl]

Originally Posted by Mus Zibii

I'm by no means a scholar, and I'll readily admit that this notion is based on amateur speculation. So take pity on me.

Anyway, with the popularity of Mel Gibson's crap movie 'The Passion' I've started hearing one time anglo-obsessed Christians referring to Jesus as Yeshua. I can't help but wonder why this name wasn't transliterated into Greek or Latin as Joshua as opposed to Jesus.

In the Talmud and Jewish traditions of Jesus his name was 'parodied' with the acronym Yimach Shemo Uzzikhrono (Talmud has a lot of obscure humor once its pointed out, like a New Yorker cartoon). Romanizing Yeshu would likely include the adding of the arbitrary (I'm sure there's a reason for it) additional S.

It doesn't seem natural that the romantic Greek rendering of the semitic name would result in Jesus. So I wondered if the adopted (yeah, I know its from the fourth century, not an air-tight theory, never said it was) Yimach Shemo Uzzikhrono might've been mistaken by gentiles as a name rather than a rude title.

I have no clue, myself.

I refer to him as "Isa", as I think the title is more suiting, but I thought it may be of interest to note that some people actually speculate that he, King Tut & Joshua of the Torah were, in fact, the same person.

I don't know what I think about all that but I would agree there appears to be some obscure sense of humor at work here.

How funny it is, I haven't decided yet.

[Abogado del Diablo]

Originally Posted by Quesocoatl

I refer to him as "Isa", as I think the title is more suiting, but I thought it may be of interest to note that some people actually speculate that he, King Tut & Joshua of the Torah were, in fact, the same person.

As are Mithras, the Buddah, Dionysis, Luke Skywalker and Spiderman.

[neoxenos]

Originally Posted by Mus Zibii

Anyway, with the popularity of Mel Gibson's crap movie 'The Passion' I've started hearing one time anglo-obsessed Christians referring to Jesus as Yeshua. I can't help but wonder why this name wasn't transliterated into Greek or Latin as Joshua as opposed to Jesus.

In my view...

Jesus is the living Pentagrammaton. If we take IHVH (Jehova) and place Shin in the middle, we get IHSVH, Yeshua, which was translated into Jesus because it has Five Letters, representing the Five Pointed Star.

Shin is the 21st Arcanum, and adding upon itself produces 3. Three is the number of Furies of Orestes, the number of murders or Orisis and Harim Abiff, and the number of trators of Jesus (Caiaphas, Judas, and Pilot). Three, on positive side, represents Trinity, the three aspects of creation. The Trinity is made known by listening to the words of our internal Yeshua (savior).

Jesus said:

And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. – Luke 9:22

Therefore, the three factors are to live (Father), to die (Son), and to sacrifice (Holy Spirit). We live through Conscious Love, die through Buddhist Annihilation, and sacrfice through Cognizant Charity. This is how man becomes the Pentagrammaton.

Yeshua is also IEOUA, a very powerful mantra.

[I, Brian]

Another variant on the name I'm sure I've seen was "Yeshoshua".

My understanding was that the Greek form - Jesus - was used rather than the latinised forum - Joshua - because there is already a rather prominent Joshua in Jewish literature. The choice of form would be a way of easily avoiding confucian. Same with Saul of Tarus becoming Paul, to avoid confusing with King Saul of the David stories.

[Abogado del Diablo]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Another variant on the name I'm sure I've seen was "Yeshoshua".

My understanding was that the Greek form - Jesus - was used rather than the latinised forum - Joshua - because there is already a rather prominent Joshua in Jewish literature. The choice of form would be a way of easily avoiding confucian. Same with Saul of Tarus becoming Paul, to avoid confusing with King Saul of the David stories.

Which is unfortunate if the author of the first version of the "Jesus" myth intended the name to be the same to signify that it is the same mythological character who led the Jews into the promised land to complete the Exodus.

[Mus Zibii]

I've returned from my journey out into the world of the mainstream religious and I've brought back some more interesting stuff on this topic. I thought this new theory was bogus until I went back and read some of the Talmudic traditions that surrounded the Jesus followers of the third/fourth century. Time and time again, Jesus as a figure is mentioned in relation to an 'ass', i.e. the Gamaliel's bribe of a Lybian ass, Yesu's corpse being dragged through Jerusalem by an ass in the Toledoth Yesu, etc.

In Hebrew the word for horse is sus, the sound transliterated in Latin characters as 'ge' or 'je' could possibly mean 'land' or abbreviated form of 'pride/arrogance', hence Ge-Sus = proud ass? LOL

At the least, its a neat theory.

[I, Brian]

Interesting theory.

And apologies for the bizarre typo earlier:
"The choice of form would be a way of easily avoiding confucian"
Confusion, of course.

[Mus Zibii]

Found out last night after a search on the net, that the theory isn't anything new. There was also the idea that 'sus' is the Latin for pig. That seems to be stretching it a bit. It all seemed a bit stretched, but...

[Mus Zibii]

Originally Posted by Quesocoatl

I refer to him as "Isa", as I think the title is more suiting, but....

I've been looking all over for the origin of I'sa. The meaning, I mean. I found the Christian response that it was either a mispronunciation of Iesus or that Muslims coming to Christian liturgy from afar heard Arab Jews refer to Jesus as the unfavoured son of Isaac, Esau. Islam is keen on reversing the unflattering Jewish myths.

[malachi]

Originally Posted by Mus Zibii

I've returned from my journey out into the world of the mainstream religious and I've brought back some more interesting stuff on this topic. I thought this new theory was bogus until I went back and read some of the Talmudic traditions that surrounded the Jesus followers of the third/fourth century. Time and time again, Jesus as a figure is mentioned in relation to an 'ass', i.e. the Gamaliel's bribe of a Lybian ass, Yesu's corpse being dragged through Jerusalem by an ass in the Toledoth Yesu, etc.

In Hebrew the word for horse is sus, the sound transliterated in Latin characters as 'ge' or 'je' could possibly mean 'land' or abbreviated form of 'pride/arrogance', hence Ge-Sus = proud ass? LOL

At the least, its a neat theory.

I know that this was an old post, but I had to address this topic. This was an interesting post indeed. I'm not that familiar with the Hebrew or Greek Languages. Yet, what I do understand is that there are many names, and attributes given to Jesus which are in both the Old and New Testaments. Such as the following:

Immanuel:- Isaiah 7:14
The Anointed. - 1 Samuel 2:35
The Branch. - Zechariah 3:8
The Chief Cornerstone - Ephesians 2:20, 1 Peter 2:6
Wonderful - Isaiah 9:6
Counselor - Isaiah 9:6
The Mighty God - Isaiah 9:6
The everlasting Father - Isaiah 9:6
The Prince of Peace - Isaiah 9:6
Mine Elect - Isaiah 42:1
A Stumbling Block - 1 Corinthians 1:23
Lord also of the Sabbath - Mark 2:28
Son of Man - Mark 2:28
The Light of the Morning - 2 Samuel 23:3-4
A Sure Foundation - Isaiah 28:16

And there are many others. Almost too many to note here, but as you can see there is an almost exhaustive list. I only hope that this clears up any confusion as to the Name of Jesus.

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1 Peter 3:15

[Mus Zibii]

Well, see that goes toward my 'blotted out name' theory. The idea of a messiah or embodiment of God having a generic Hebrew name seems queer. Whereas a nameless God, named after his namelessness... now that's class. None of that Gott 'n Elah stuff.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM. Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I AM.

[Mus Zibii]

Got another theory. LOL One a day, seems like. Since Christian prophecy of Jesus was seen in Isaiah more clearly and more abundantly than any other book of Jewish prophecy, could it be that Mahomet who claimed erroneously that Jesus had written a book (subsequently perverted by Christians), have mistaken Isaiah's authorship as he did with the Pslams of David?

Hmmm, this one's my favorite thus far.

[Marsh]

A rose, by any other name, would still smell as sweet.