Mysticism in The Matrix

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by DynoMight

Not trying to call you out or anything but I think that you're just trying to demean or devalue altered states of consciousness and have the last word on it. You are probably doing this just because as a Baha'i you feel threatened by Matrixism.

Baha'is shouldn't be threatened by Matrixism. The covenant of Matrixism only honors the covenant of the baha'i and elevates it to a new higher level. Baha'is can always adopted the principles of Matrixism and the path of the One will be there for them. As the Matrxism website says it is perfectly acceptable to be a Baha'i and a Pathist at the same time.

Threatened?

A Baha`i can embrace whatever philosophies he likes. The only problem to following the philosophies of the "Path" is that psychedelics are expressly against Baha`i law. Can one follow the "Path" as a philosophy without embracing the use of psychoactive drugs without a prescription and thereby coming into conflict with the beliefs of his religion? Alcohol is against Baha`i law, unless it's prescribed as a drug for treatment of some disorder.

I know several Baha`i's who use Zen meditation, or practice other meditation philosophies.

Since the "Path" has no Sacred Text and no "Prophet" at this point, is it more than a philosophy?

A Baha`i can use any drug prescribed by a physician for treatment. But if a doctor prescribed alcohol, or Lysergic Acid Diethylamide-25 to me, I would ask why it would be useful for my treatment. If I were really troubled about it, I would explain why I consider using a drug to be ill-advised without good reason, and would seek a second opinion if I were not totally satisfied with the reasoning involved.

I know several Baha`i's who have been prescribed red wine daily because of heart problems, but the amount and frequency of use was given to them in the prescription, just as if they were being prescribed anti-rejection drugs, or any coronary drugs. The doctors were always happy to make the prescription formal for them.

A drug can be beneficial physically without being taken to an extreme that makes it psychoactive. On the other hand those who have mental disorders and are prescribed psychoactive drugs are free to take them for that purpose.

In all things we are to be moderated in our behavior.

Regards,
Scott

[DynoMight]

Of course Matrixism is a religion and not just a philosophy. Why do you insist on insulting the path of the One? Why not live and let live?

I for one think that Matrixism is an excellent example of mystical tradition that embraces the use of entheogens.

As a baha'i is it right for you go around insulting and criticizing other peoples religions?

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by DynoMight

Of course Matrixism is a religion and not just a philosophy. Why do you insist on insulting the path of the One? Why not live and let live?

I for one think that Matrixism is an excellent example of mystical tradition that embraces the use of entheogens.

As a baha'i is it right for you go around insulting and criticizing other peoples religions?

It isn't my intent to insult you or anyone.

I ask a simple question. "How can a philosophy claim to be a revealed religion if it has no Prophet and no Sacred Text?"

I think it's a good question and deserves an answer.

Is there a sacred text? Is there a Prophet? I know earlier in some thread or other you made the comment that the "Path" has no Text and no Prophet "as yet".

How can it claim to be a revealed religion without either a Revealer nor a Revelation?

I do want to know what the reasoning is.

As to live and let live, fine. If Matricism would stop claiming Baha`i Writings as justification and misrepresenting those writings in the process, I wouldn't have to ask these questions at all.

Regards,
Scott

[DynoMight]

Just because Matrixism's text is brief (i.e. its website) and just because it's prophet is annonymous (i.e. whoever made its website) doesn't mean that Matrixism is not a religion.

Take for example Taoism. The Tao Te Ching is very short and its author is unknown but it is still a religion.

I rather like the conciseness of Matrixism's canon. It's like what Nieztche said [The prophet that writes a book wants to be remembered. The prophet that writes only a paragraph wants it to be memorized by wrote.]

The annonymousness of Matrixism's prophet is also refreshing. We can at least be certain that whowever he/she is hasn't created Matrixism for fame or personal or family gain.

Come to think of it the path of the One rocks!

[Popeyesays]

Actually, there are TWO Taoisms. It was founded as a philosophy sometime in the fifth century BCE either by an individual or a group of scholars who took the title Lao Tzu (Old Master). It was not until a couple hundred years later that it became religious in nature when Chuang Tzu (Heavenly Master) wrote the subsidiary text The Chuang Tzu, about a century later. Two other texts were added in the third or fourth century CE.

As to "fame or . . . gain", Lao Tzu and Chuang Tzu are titles rather than personal names. You are aware that Gautama Buddha was not the birth name of the Messenger, nor was 'Christ' the name of Jesus, nor Baha`u'llah or the Bab the birth names of the Founding Prophets. They are titles.

As to personal fame and wealth, both Gautama Buddha and Baha`u'llah were born nobility and wealthy. Both gave that up to reveal their Messages.

Regards,
Scott

[DynoMight]

Well as long as we all agree that Matrixism is a global religion then I guess everything is cool.

It's amazing how fast Matrixism has spread around the world.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

How can it claim to be a revealed religion without either a Revealer nor a Revelation?

Scott, there is no spoon.......

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Scott, there is no spoon.......

Of course there is.

Regards,
Scott

[17th Angel]

Realising the truth, that there is no spoon, will make you realise that it isn't the spoon that bends.... Only yourself. ;0

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Realising the truth, that there is no spoon, will make you realise that it isn't the spoon that bends.... Only yourself. ;0

How very ZEN.

Realizing that the relationship of man to God is that of besotted lover to the object of his desire will make the existence of a spiritual "spoon" obvious.

See we can trade empty phrases all day and neither of us will impress the other.

Regards,
Scott

[17th Angel]

lol... Quite.

I am simply quoting Matrix quotes.

[Snoopy]

Hi,

Maybe the Prophet of the Matrix is Mamoru Oshii, director of Ghost in the Shell; the anime film that the Wachowski brothers showed to the producer of the Matrix when they were pitching to make the film.

s.

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

lol... Quite.

I am simply quoting Matrix quotes.

I finally saw the second Matrix movie last month on DVD and was quite impressed with it as a movie. However, as to religious content it makes a good movie.

Regards,
Scott

[17th Angel]

In seriousness... I can see how there is "religious" content within the films. They say the chronicles of narnia(sp?) are regarding the sacrafice of the son of jah. Well, once you've watched the Matrix trio... Neo becomes more like a digital christ. Enjoy the second one Scott? You, have, to watch the final movie now.... Normally with these type of films... The follow on films are half assed and lazy... but the work seems to have been kept to the same standard and pace as the first...

-Edit-
Slightly off topic, who is the man in the painting behind you?

Back onto the Matrix... I have been thinking it over... I can not relate drugs... To this film. We shall break this down to an example...

The matrix = the internet
person in the matrix = whoever is reading this..... This is your computer.

I want to hack into your computer, furthermore I want to -remove- you from the internet. This I can accomplish. How? I simply insert a virus into you, the person in the matrix... Most fun I guess would be a Trojan, Which we shall call, 'the red pill' If I can get you to accept this into your computer. Now it is in your computer I can do what I darn well please... So I can disconnect you from the matrix... And alas! You are now in the real world....

[Snoopy]

Hi,

The website of the Matrix religion seems unavailable. Has the program terminated?

Religions can start from all sorts of strange things can’t they…(mentioning no short Hollywood actors)…just look at what has happened since the release of the religious epic “The Sound of Music.” I believe its followers are called Trappists?

Homage to the Edelweiss.
Homage to the Warm Woolen Mittens.
Homage to the Goatherd.

s.