must religion come to an end?

[Paladin]

Where does religion exist? What could spirituality be comprised of? Is separation from actuality real? We have discussed religion as meme, spirituality as another construct, societetical agreements, afiliations, relationships all according to what? What would happen I wonder if for even a moment we stepped outside our own stories of what is real and what isn't. What would happen if we had no place to stand, nothing to locate us in time and space, stripped of our sureity,our concepts, models and maps. It would be a rare person indeed who would even ask for such a thing.

Religion will not come to an end any sooner than the idea of self deception, dellusion and denial. Spirituality will be with us as long as the human psyche is what it is. Who among us can honestly say that we are not buying into some conceptual reality if only just a little?

There isn't a value judgement here, that would require way more than I could imagine. In addition, I have no where to stand from which to proclaim good, bad or neutral. That might approximate actuality.
The irony is that religion is still the glue that holds together societies. I still manage to engage a life that for all I know might be a "weak and Idle theme yeilding no more than a dream"
Maybe ultimately there is no meaning in the universe, but when I witness the human race, it's triumphs, its tenderness, stupidity and outrageousness, its desire for something better, and its descent into pure evil, I am bewildered.

Must Religion come to an end? Perhaps, for the individual who longs for what is behind even the process of understanding, who must become the truth even if that provides the process of his own undoing.
But in the meantime, there is supper to cook, and I need to change the oil in the truck, cuz there is work to get to in the morning.

[mee]

Originally Posted by _Z_

firstly the text presumes god is judgemental.

i think the bible informs us that the whole of mankind will be judged


WHAT PICTURE does Judgment Day call to your mind? Some imagine a great throne, and in front of it a long line of persons who have been resurrected from the dead. As each person passes before the throne, he is judged by his past deeds, all of which are written down in the Judge’s book. Based on the things he did, the person is sent either to heaven or to a fiery hell.

The Bible, however, gives a much different picture of Judgment Day.


It is not a day to be dreaded or feared. Note what the Bible says of God: “He has set a day in which he purposes to judge the inhabited earth in righteousness by a man whom he has appointed.” (Acts 17:31) This judge appointed by God is, of course, Jesus Christ.

We can be sure that Christ will be fair and just in his judgment.

Jesus, who himself said: “The Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.” (John 5:22, KJ) So Jesus will be God’s appointed Judge on Judgment Day. but the judgement of BABYLON THE GREAT oh yes (THE WORLD WIDE EMPIRE OF FALSE RELIGION)Over the centuries, the world empire of false religion has shed oceans of blood.


“Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues.”—Rev. 18:4.


this harlot and yes she will be judged Who is she? she is a global empire, she is religious, and she is Satan’s counterfeit system that he uses in fighting against the seed of God’s woman. (Revelation 12:17)

[mee]

Originally Posted by Francis king

okay, today it is more noticeable, today it is more well managed, JW jam and scones,

or even JW telling out the GOODNEWS of better things.

And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14..

(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first.

(Revelation 14:6) And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, and he had everlasting good news to declare as glad tidings to those who dwell on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people,

Ok, so what is the goodnews,? the goodnews is that Gods heavenly kingdom goverment is now well established inline with bible prophecy and chronology ,DANIEL 2;44 and Jesus has been given great aurthority .DANIEL 7;13-14. And soon Jesus will go into action and after that only Gods kingdom will be left to rule , so putting our trust in that kingdom will lead to our salvation. Do not put your trust in human set ups , because they are not the way to peace on the earth . look to the one with the legal right and it is Jesus christ . and he is now gathering people from all nations into UNITY REVELATION 7;9-10 I am waving my symbolic palm branch to welcome the one that Jehovah has given kingship too. and it is Jesus christ . and so are millions from all nations . it is the only way to salvation


(Romans 10:18) Nevertheless I ask, They did not fail to hear, did they? Why, in fact, “into all the earth their sound went out, and to the extremities of the inhabited earth their utterances.”.


and yes you never know they just might have a nice scone along the way .

[Alex P]

I see now that the only thing that must come to an end is hatred.... Division, Lack of equality, lack of unity... Lack of Peace, Lack of freedom... From religion we have a drive, Love.

lack /læk/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lak]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1.deficiency or absence of something needed, desirable


Sorry I was just really curious to the word 'Lack' and what it meant... It's on the nose, I must say...

Religion is just another one of those flowers of Love.. They all bloom at different rates and come out in different colours, scents and styles... But they all can be pretty darn beautiful. Just need the right gardener The better the skill and knowledge of that Gardener, and the more of his/her heart and soul that goes into their flowers... A very rare flower can bloom.... You know how flowers can be! In most enviroments, if not just pure free flowers growing in the wild, they need care and you have to put the effort in, or they wilt.....

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Just need the right gardener The better the skill and knowledge of that Gardener.....

That would be Jesus christ , he has the knowledge of his father Jehovah God . he had the best one to teach him .
and if we listen to Jesus it will go well for us and we can have real good fruitage .


And a voice came out of the cloud, saying: "This is my Son, the one that has been chosen. Listen to him." LUKE 9;35 .

[mee]

revelation 18;4 is a command from Jesus .

[Alex P]

Funny how you should say Jesus(saws) Because when I was speaking of the gardener, I meant you, me, whomever else reads it... They are the gardener of their religion mee.... You can make -your- religion wilt or you can make it bloom... Only you can do that, can you just for a moment, just look at any other religion or way, and see if done correctly, that is good, that is Peace, that is Love? Becuase, there is no way I am going to believe that you cannot see any good in another way of life/culture/religion. So yeah, to clear that up folks... I meant -YOU- not which ever leader, saviour, god, gods, messiah, prophets, founders, presidents, elders and whatnot "represent" your religion, because end of the day, these are a rare few, that have made it.... They all represent a different group.

Yes you have them in your religion, that isn't a monopoly, there are no rights to use. Jesus(saws) Muhammad(saws) Ghandi, buddha, Abraham, adalbert! Bernard of Clairvaux, Bibiana, Joan of Arc, Anges of poitiers, Aidan of Lindisfarne, Zarathustra, Shabbetai Tzevi, Al Mahdi, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Krishna, Moses, The Bab, Baha'u'llah, Dalai Lama, Louis Farrakhan, Pope John paul II, Billy Graham, Jerry Falwell, Mother Teresa, Martin Luther King, Isaiah, Mary Baker Eddy, Loyla, Lao Tsu, Confucius, St. Paul, St. Augustine, St. Thomas Aquinas even John Wycliffe!! These were all once gardeners... And they all represent the same thing, and it isn't religion..... They all started at religion, but it went onto something "bigger" If I may say so in my honest opinion, hold no insult.... Please lol.

Thanks for reading.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Funny how you should say Jesus(saws) Because when I was speaking of the gardener, I meant you, me, whomever else reads it... They are the gardener of their religion mee....

Thanks for reading.

very true and those who stick to what Jesus taught cannot go wrong he was the greatest teacher and the greatest man who ever lived .
he is the way the truth and the life .

[Alex P]

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by _Z_

has religion come to an end?

simple question, difficult answer. in my mind i think people will probably want religion of some kind for a long while yet, this is more an intellectual/wisdom question.

i think religions agree and contradict each other on many levels, without believing in a single one it is easy to get confused. in the end it seams like it would be better if i went through life as if there were no religions.

as long as i can look life in the eye and see what it is thinking, i can find my own answers.

how do you feel; must religion come to an end?

One day all religion will come to an end, and we will be unified in thought, spirit, and purpose. It will be the day God's established kingdom manifests on earth. All the hate, and intollerance, and racism, religious division, and war will be be done away with, and all will be one - "All in all"

I believe it, and am looking forward to the day - even if I'm not alive to see it.

Love

James

[_Z_]

gatekeeper, hi
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One day all religion will come to an end, and we will be unified in thought, spirit, and purpose. It will be the day God’s established kingdom manifests on earth. All the hate, and intollerance, and racism, religious division, and war will be be done away with, and all will be one - "All in all"

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i agree, although i probably have a different idea of what gods kingdom will be. i don’t think philosophy will end so there will always be questions, as i see it, people will change! imagine if science found god in some way, that would change things monumentally, but there would still be questions. the only way that will change is if people do, but finding god will be a good start eh!
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I believe it, and am looking forward to the day - even if I’m not alive to see it.

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i think it will be very soon, like 2012 kinda soon or somewhere around then. that is because i believe in cosmic order, that like we interact with the world with our minds, arms and legs etc, god does so with the universe. hence a conjunction of earth and the galactic centre means that we will join with gods mind [in a sense] and that will make a great change.
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well that’s one theory anyway lols but i feel it in my bones that it will be soon! i mean if not then wont it be too late?

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by _Z_

gatekeeper, hi
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i agree, although i probably have a different idea of what gods kingdom will be. i don’t think philosophy will end so there will always be questions, as i see it, people will change! imagine if science found god in some way, that would change things monumentally, but there would still be questions. the only way that will change is if people do, but finding god will be a good start eh!

I think we will always have questions, but religion as it exists today will be gone. Will philosophy remain? [I don't know] - I am a religious man, but even my bible tells me that knowledge, language, and prophecies will cease. All we will have left is faith, hope, and love, and love being the greatest of these. This is the kingdom that I see already, and the one I see coming - one where we are of one mind, Spirit, and purpose - It all revolves around loving creator, and those we share creation with.

i think it will be very soon, like 2012 kinda soon or somewhere around then. that is because i believe in cosmic order, that like we interact with the world with our minds, arms and legs etc, god does so with the universe. hence a conjunction of earth and the galactic centre means that we will join with gods mind [in a sense] and that will make a great change.
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well that’s one theory anyway lols but i feel it in my bones that it will be soon! i mean if not then wont it be too late?

I think it is snowballing right now. I mean look around at the changes in others, and probably more so with self. I've changed a great deal from just three years ago, hell even a month ago, lol. We are progressing daily, so perhaps the whole 2012 timeline is not an outrageous thought. Are you by chance going by the Myan calander? I think 2012 is when thier own prophesies stoped - Seems likeI saw something on the history channel about it all. If we don't see significant change around the world by this time, are suggesting a doomsday event?

[Just curious]

James

[_Z_]

gatekeeper hi

I think it is snowballing right now. I mean look around at the changes in others, and probably more so with self. I’ve changed a great deal from just three years ago, hell even a month ago, lol. We are progressing daily, so perhaps the whole 2012 timeline is not an outrageous thought. Are you by chance going by the Mayan calander?

i am quite into the mayan thing although i think 2012 will go by just like 2000 did. what i do see is a quickening, where events are occurring at a faster rate and increasingly so. i agree to about the personal change, it seams very quick now. i don’t know what it all means but it points at both a change in people and in events [the environment?].

i think it will be more apocolypse than armageddon but who knows. probably a bit of both ~ wisdom and suffering tend to go hand in hand y'know.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by _Z_

gatekeeper hi


i am quite into the mayan thing although i think 2012 will go by just like 2000 did. what i do see is a quickening, where events are occurring at a faster rate and increasingly so. i agree to about the personal change, it seams very quick now. i don’t know what it all means but it points at both a change in people and in events [the environment?].

i think it will be more apocolypse than armageddon but who knows. probably a bit of both ~ wisdom and suffering tend to go hand in hand y'know.

It may very well take a catastophy to wake some people up, eh? Even so, I'm thinking our future catasrophies/wars, etc. won't be nearly as long, or as painful as our pasts, [save nucular] in which case we will have death on massive scales, and very few will be able to handle such a masacre. I'd probably roll over, give up, and accept death willingly it this were to happen.

I pray we change before such an event occurs.

James

[_Z_]

It may very well take a catastophy to wake some people up, eh? Even so, I’m thinking our future catasrophies/wars, etc. won’t be nearly as long, or as painful as our pasts, [save nucular] in which case we will have death on massive scales, and very few will be able to handle such a masacre. I’d probably roll over, give up, and accept death willingly it this were to happen.

yes that would be the noble thing to do. however could any of us watch our friends and families fall all around us? hopefully people would react to bad times like they did in the great wars, if not then i think it would be more about society level wars rather than global conflict. we only have to look at the state of the world banks etc to see how this could come about, our societies are very fragile ~ glass towers easily fall! i agree though that it would be over quickly even if it takes a while to start.