Muslims Are Fundamentalists And Terrorists

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by gp1628

Im on many forums and I also see "muslim terrorists" used too often. And stupid question like "why are all suicide bombers muslim".

As far as I can tell they are usually referring to the middle east. And if they are going to stereotype it would be more sensible to say "arab" than "muslim". I try to point out that most muslims are not in the middle east. And as far as these things being particular to muslims, oh what a short memory we have to have forgotten Ireland so soon with the catholic/protestant terrorists and suicide bombers.

that is what i want to say

[Dream]

You know, religious leaders often like to scare their congregations. They used to scare us when we were kids, telling us the the 'Jehova's Witnesses' were just waiting in the shadows to come and deceive us - or the Russians with their nukes and their Communism, or the Devil with his demons, or the Mormons (ooh, scary). "Atheists!!! Oh no!!!" And then there's the Muslims.

What do they scare you with at night?

[Muslimwoman]

The scarmongering has gone way too far now but we have to accept that certain groups of Muslims are contributing to this atmosphere.

We have seen the demonstrations of Muslims in London with banners saying kill the British, nuke the US etc. Of course I understand that Muslims are angry about what is happening in certain areas of the world, I am too but when Muslims react with violence to any perceived insult and fail to demonstrate when the Taliban beat women for walking too loudly or Saudi beheads another rape victim then attitudes will not change because even the moderates are seen as holding vile attitudes.

We now breed terrorist on our own soil, we have young Muslims in the UK demanding sharia law in the UK, they go on forums and praise Osama & co and pamphlets about how to behead someone get handed out in universities. We, the Muslim community have to stop this, we have to demand reform and not shrug and accept the status quo.

We must use our voices and speak out loudly against oppression within our own society and aginst violence toward others before we demand the attitudes of people in other societies change toward us.

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

The scarmongering has gone way too far now but we have to accept that certain groups of Muslims are contributing to this atmosphere.

We have seen the demonstrations of Muslims in London with banners saying kill the British, nuke the US etc. Of course I understand that Muslims are angry about what is happening in certain areas of the world, I am too but when Muslims react with violence to any perceived insult and fail to demonstrate when the Taliban beat women for walking too loudly or Saudi beheads another rape victim then attitudes will not change because even the moderates are seen as holding vile attitudes.

We now breed terrorist on our own soil, we have young Muslims in the UK demanding sharia law in the UK, they go on forums and praise Osama & co and pamphlets about how to behead someone get handed out in universities. We, the Muslim community have to stop this, we have to demand reform and not shrug and accept the status quo.

We must use our voices and speak out loudly against oppression within our own society and aginst violence toward others before we demand the attitudes of people in other societies change toward us.

SAlAAM Sister,

Sister i would be brief now because yesterday i wrote it lengthly but my net got disconnected so i can't have it right now so i will be now brief...

Sister first i must clear by writing so im not justifying that we should kill any other person of another country or another faith for Islam, if he or she hasn't done any thing.............. We can not also impose Islam by force also....
Now about your things about Taliban im not a member of Taliban nor i know much about what they do or not but the thing is that Afghanistan is our neighbor and it has similar environment like our one province N.W.F.P, so i little bit know about it. I have already stated my answer on this more presicly at other post in the other post you have read and replied to,
Look you can not judge some country or system from out side unless and untill you sit in it and tell what reallly it is like wise Afghanistan needs are not known to you Afghanistani people need are not known to you, look sister the system Taliban introduced in Afghanistan was according to the need of the people their they wanted complete Islamic Shariah imposed on their country so they did , people were much happier under their control, You are alhamdulilah Muslim you should know that it was Islamic laws and that means Allah LAWS. So some one can't from outside come and start killing the people of government like America is doing in Afghanistan that we will tell how to rule the country it should be like that or it should be not, every country have its own rules and laws to abide if it was under Islamic law then what is wrong in it??? sister it was sovereign country, but complete sovereignty in an Islamic country lies with Allah Almighty and this was what they were doing i do not know of any Islamic Shariah point which become a huddle between the progress of an country or a society other way it improves it, i think im talking to non-muslim but you are a Muslim you should know it. I would say that when Taliban kills if in reality they do kill any civilian, then it is wrong we can not impose Islam on other kill them for it, that thing is wrong but about other aspect i talked i have told it, and about the causes of killing their is other topic which i reminded you sister to whom you reply!!!

Now a days who you call extremists??? who??? Now a days if some one offer five times prayers you say look look he is praying whole five prayers and with it Tahajud also he is extremist look he is praying at extreme, i just do not know whom i talking to Muslim or non-Muslim???? This point has also been explained in the first post in this topic!!!! I do not want to again repeat it!!!

Comming on other point reformiing what????????????? Reforming Islam, how can it be sister you are Muslim you should know it that what is taught by our Beloved Prophet (P.B.U.H) taught is complete and final you can not change it for your needs or needs of society, You do not want to mould into the teashings of Islam rather you want to mould Islamic teachings in the new modern world, that is wrong and forbidden in Islam, what Saudis Arabia does is accord to the Teachings of Islam, and is accord to Islamic Shariah, This is not barabaric thing if you know what is the punishment then why do you do it if you know that it is wrong deed, rather saying to the punishment save your ownself from it and say this deed is wrong. Islam is for eternity when we say Holy Prophet (PBUH) is our last prophet then it means He(pbuh) is till eternity or day of Judgment no one can change now Islamic teaching or reform it according to our own needs, The law made by God or Allah Almighty is ultimate we can not change it!!!!!!!!!!!
Look sister if our generation will come and say look we have not got much time for prayers so please shorten it or make them 2 times a day rather then 5 then what will you do you will say change it because in this world or time it should be reformed when read or say Kalima then it means we accept all the teachings or real teachings of ISLAM without any ifs and buts!!!!!!!! By reforming you mean that islam is not suitable for this age it must be change or nouzbillah Allah did not knew what ask or make a law in older era so we change it NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!NO Way!!!!!!!!

Now you will read above post and call me extremist................huh...........For example God forbide god forbide god forbide god forbide god forbide god forbide, May Allah save every sister, girl, daughter, mother, or wife in this world from this.......Someone rape come and again God Forbide rapes you, or your mother , or daughter, or sister, what will you do with that person??? You will say that look im not so barbaric so i should not want anything from you and forgive him!!!! I say that forgiveness is greater deed but it is also accord to shariah!!


By writing above reply i in not any way say direct comment on you i just gave an example and nothing more or less then it!!!!!

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Sister first i must clear by writing so im not justifying that we should kill any other person of another country or another faith for Islam, if he or she hasn't done any thing..............

wa aleykum salaam

That is what I was saying in my post. You do not agree with killing innocent people, you agree it goes against Islam and yet some Muslims still do this. They shout Allahu Akbar as they cut the head off a journalist or aid worker and they film it so the world can see. These are innocent people, not fighters so where does our religion say we can kill them because their countries government does something against Muslims? These are the actions of some Muslims and it makes non Muslims fear and hate us.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

look sister the system Taliban introduced in Afghanistan was according to the need of the people their they wanted complete Islamic Shariah imposed on their country so they did ,

So are you saying that women wanted to be beaten in the street for walking too loudly? They wanted to black their windows so they lived in darkness? That they were not allowed to get medical treatment? That the only hospital in the capital city allowed to treat women had no medical supplies and no running water?

Can you tell me where sharia says women are to be treated in this way?

When I see oppression of women I speak out against it. You may think it is okay to say these people wanted this but I have never in my life met a woman that wants to be beaten or wants to die rather than recieve medical treatment and with attitudes like yours this oppression will be allowed to continue. This is the reform I speak of, reforming of our minds so we live by the real sharia not one that is made up by men to please themselves.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

people were much happier under their control,

So why did so many women set fire to themselves? Why did they want to die if they were so happy?

Originally Posted by islamis4u

You are alhamdulilah Muslim you should know that it was Islamic laws and that means Allah LAWS.

Yes alhamdolillah I am Muslim, which is why I know they were not Allah's laws.

Please tell me, if Allah wanted women to wear a burka then why did the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) say that the only part of a woman that should be seen is this and this (indicating the hands and face)?? Do you think our beloved Prophet did not understand the laws of Allah?

When our beloved Prophet said that men and women must seek knowledge do you think he meant to say men must seek knowledge and women must be banned from education?

Originally Posted by islamis4u

i think im talking to non-muslim but you are a Muslim you should know it.

As I said in my last post, as soon as you question the laws of men made in the name of Islam people say you are not a good Muslim or not even a Muslim. You just prove what I say is true.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Now a days if some one offer five times prayers you say look look he is praying whole five prayers and with it Tahajud also he is extremist look he is praying at extreme,

What are you talking about? Every Muslim should pray 5 times a day and no that does not make us extremists. But people that oppress and kill and set off bombs in market places with women and children dying - they are extremists and I will speak against them until Allah takes the last breath from my body.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

i just do not know whom i talking to Muslim or non-Muslim????

Do you think your words can hurt me? They can not, I am Muslim and only Allah can judge if I am a good Muslim, not you. Our beloved Prophet said we must fight oppression wherever we see it and I see it in some Muslim communities, so I will fight against it.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

Reforming Islam, how can it be sister you are Muslim you should know it that what is taught by our Beloved Prophet (P.B.U.H) taught is complete and final you can not change it for your needs or needs of society,

Did I say that I want to change our religion? No, I did not, I want us to go back to our religion. I want us to reform our minds and return to what Allah and our Prophet taught us and forget the man made laws that have been accepted for centuries. I want people like you to go back to the Quran and understand that oppressing women is not a part of Islam.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

what Saudis Arabia does is accord to the Teachings of Islam, and is accord to Islamic Shariah,

So you think that Islam says we should kill a woman because she is raped?

You think that women should be banned from driving? Please tell me where the sharia says this.

You think 15 girls should be beaten with sticks and made to go back into a school that is on fire because they did not have their faces covered? All 15 girls died in that building - you think this is what Allah or the Prophet said or wanted?

This you say is Islam!! How dare you try to say this is the law of Allah and say He would want children to die in His name because no-one should see their face. May Allah forgive you for your ignorance and teach you to have compassion for your sisters. I hope you will pray for these girls and for all sisters that are so badly treated by men in the name of Islam.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

This is not barabaric thing if you know what is the punishment then why do you do it if you know that it is wrong deed,

Does a woman have a choice when she is raped?

Should girls choose to stay and die in a fire because there is no time to cover their faces?

Originally Posted by islamis4u

The law made by God or Allah Almighty is ultimate we can not change it!!!!!!!!!!!

But we have changed it, again and again until we have girls dying in fires, women beaten with sticks for walking or talking too loudly and rape victims being stoned to death. The sharia does not say we must do any of these things but some Muslims do it every day.

Originally Posted by islamis4u

May Allah save every sister, girl, daughter, mother, or wife in this world from this.......Someone rape come and again God Forbide rapes you, or your mother , or daughter, or sister, what will you do with that person???

I would want the man or men killed according to our laws and I would even kill them myself but why then in so many places are the women this happens to killed and the men are not punished at all? Where does the Quran or Sunnah say to kill a woman that has been so badly treated in this way? Where does it say that a man that does this should not be punished?

Why did a sharia court order that 6 men from the court must rape a woman in front of the people because her brother was too young to be punished? Tell me where it says a woman can be punished for something her brother does????

Of course you cannot tell me because it is not a part of Islam and yet this happened and it was a sharia court that did it. But you will defend them and ask if I am a Muslim. Please remember that on the Day of Judgement you will be asked about this and you will be asked why you supprted actions that are against the laws of Allah (swt).

You are a wonderful example of what is currently wrong with Muslims. You will accept these things, you will even defend them and will not open your eyes and see that they are wrong and are against the teachings of Allah (swt) and the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh).

So many Muslims are scared to speak out for truth and justice because as you have done with me, they will say "you are not Muslim" or "how can you be Muslim if you do not accept this". Well I will speak out and may Allah be my witness that I am a true Muslim.

[greymare]

Not that it means much tangibly, you have my support and respect 100%mw.

[islamis4u]

[quote=Muslimwoman;139703]wa aleykum salaam

That is what I was saying in my post. You do not agree with killing innocent people, you agree it goes against Islam and yet some Muslims still do this. They shout Allahu Akbar as they cut the head off a journalist or aid worker and they film it so the world can see. These are innocent people, not fighters so where does our religion say we can kill them because their countries government does something against Muslims? These are the actions of some Muslims and it makes non Muslims fear and hate us.

In my post i never said that we should kill them i said we should never ever kill them sister so why you made this point........... Having said so their were done a research in our country on this videos.....but i say many not all but many were claimed to be videos from Taliban etc .... were not thiers but rather were captured in Gautonamo bei the prison and were acted so like that... it is proparganda tactics again i say not all but many.....

So are you saying that women wanted to be beaten in the street for walking too loudly? They wanted to black their windows so they lived in darkness? That they were not allowed to get medical treatment? That the only hospital in the capital city allowed to treat women had no medical supplies and no running water?

I havn't known to these things if Taliban did this i say yes sister it is wrong do qoute me i did not have seen this kind of example if they did that on the Name of Allah SWT then it was and is wrong.......

Can you tell me where sharia says women are to be treated in this way?

i replied it is wrong...

When I see oppression of women I speak out against it. You may think it is okay to say these people wanted this but I have never in my life met a woman that wants to be beaten or wants to die rather than recieve medical treatment and with attitudes like yours this oppression will be allowed to continue. This is the reform I speak of, reforming of our minds so we live by the real sharia not one that is made up by men to please themselves.

What is true it is true i would say i have no regret and should also not have any that you are right because you are speaking true, i havn't come to known about this examples and upto my knowledge i havn't seen this example upto my knowledge okay... if trusting your words i would say yes if their are like this then it is wrong.

So why did so many women set fire to themselves? Why did they want to die if they were so happy?

I havn't known any my knowledge is very little if their were then it is wrong.....I just want to say that the picture what you are potraiting me is from the eyes of Television or newspaper because i think you never been to Afghanistan, 30% of them are true and 70% are made upon i know i say yes 30% it would be true but 70% are not its tactics of properganda to do..... but i would say what the answer to oppression then answer me that?...is it allow our sister to dance in clubs let them do modeling let them be film actress let them do dramas on TV let them dance naked... and say look this is answer to oppression of Muslim woman oppression then sister i must say it is wrong.... But do remember that i would not support any Man to beat his sister, or wife for but qustion also may arise for what then do it for? please do remember i donot know you seem to answer what i never said.. your most of Part of post was on Taliban so,... sister i may say that look beating your wife is wrong but you know talking about you just have eyes or see through the media which depict you the picture ir something like that you have to have be in it to know best.... Sister i never said that woman should be treated like that way... okay never..... and i have never seen these type of things which you tell me according to my knowledge yes i say if they do this it is wrong....Very Much wrong.....We can oppress our woman you know it is allowed in Islam if she not where A hijab you know that it is in Islamic law not beat them but we can say that look if you do not where what is in Shariah we would stop your pocket money or any way we can okay.... You seem to like Zakir Naik in his giving true picture of Islam... he said that and from that im saying this... If woman say look im committing sucide because my man is saying me to cover head then it is wrong in deed and sucide in any way in Islam is Haram you should know that then she is committing more sins.... You know you seem to extract the things i have never said , do read my whole post first then answer because i sometime make more clearer later okay... I again say we should not beat our woman or anything like that i may say that wearing a burka is very much good deed it make you much more pious but having said so that minimum Islam says about is covering head to toe except hands and face okay.... So we can just pressurerize a wife or sister by not beating but by just you pressurrizing like if you not where a scarf or cover you head we will not give you pocket money or things like that... and having said so a woman can also like wise pressurrize her man to do the Fardh.

Yes alhamdolillah I am Muslim, which is why I know they were not Allah's laws.

Please tell me, if Allah wanted women to wear a burka then why did the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) say that the only part of a woman that should be seen is this and this (indicating the hands and face)?? Do you think our beloved Prophet did not understand the laws of Allah?

I say yes burka is not Fardh but hijab is so you can have law about it if a Taliban pressure woman to where Burka then it is wrong... sister but i again say what are answer to it that woman whould left free to become naked... no sister.... it is not........ sister okay sister........

When our beloved Prophet said that men and women must seek knowledge do you think he meant to say men must seek knowledge and women must be banned from education?

If i would have supporting that kind of view from first day i would have been saying that you are wrong and you should not come on net and things like that..... i know that point of view is wrong.... look if i would be supporting that view i would havn't allowed my own sister to go to school universities...if i would have said that Burka is fardh then i would have not allowed my sister to only where Hijab... i never support that view if some one do that it is wrong......You seem to think that i do not know what are Haqooqs or wrights of woman is Islam.... i also know that our Holy Prophet(pbuh) had race with His(pbuh) wifes.... i know Islam speaks about giving share to woman in a property... their are many i would say i can list them what are wrights of woman on his Husband you know it is not in any Law stated that a woman should cook food or make food for her mother in law and things like that rather it is duty of man to do it for his mother their are thousands of examples of things like that.........you islam gives complete islamic code of life. It is hadith that if Allah would have allowed a woman to have "sajdah" other then Allah then it would be his Husband....okay.. having again said so but man should not think that his wife is his servant or things like that.. i do not you know i give complete comprehensive answer but what you do only one line answer and i know it is your own choice but i say do read my all post....

As I said in my last post, as soon as you question the laws of men made in the name of Islam people say you are not a good Muslim or not even a Muslim. You just prove what I say is true.

i never said you just extracted that from that phrase i can also from many of you posts like that... that is why i said you are A muslim.. you misunderstood me and i you i thought you were saying to me that a man should not sentence to death for doing rape okay that was in my mind okay...that was what i was saying

What are you talking about? Every Muslim should pray 5 times a day and no that does not make us extremists. But people that oppress and kill and set off bombs in market places with women and children dying - they are extremists and I will speak against them until Allah takes the last breath from my body.

Yes you should also i will support you in that if you read my whole post i said it is wrong....

Do you think your words can hurt me? They can not, I am Muslim and only Allah can judge if I am a good Muslim, not you. Our beloved Prophet said we must fight oppression wherever we see it and I see it in some Muslim communities, so I will fight against it.

Yes i say you are true that Only Allah can judge our faith.. you know sister you misunderstood me i was not questioning your phrase sister.. you know what i believe as a Muslim that im the biggest sinner of the world in eyes of Allah Almighty.... im very much low im just like a very small creature in respect to my deeds in front of Allah Almighty... im just like some very very very small just.... i can have words to explain like a a beggar in faith in Front of Allah Almighty... if you would have known me you would have not a said these words.. you took wrong sight of the picture... my friends know that i believe that every Muslim man or woman is greater then me i just believe that and nothing else.......

Did I say that I want to change our religion? No, I did not, I want us to go back to our religion. I want us to reform our minds and return to what Allah and our Prophet taught us and forget the man made laws that have been accepted for centuries. I want people like you to go back to the Quran and understand that oppressing women is not a part of Islam.

You know you i misunderstood you and you me so if you would have uptil read my whole post you would have remove misunderstanding you have in your mind...

So you think that Islam says we should kill a woman because she is raped?

again misunderstood me if you read my other posts before this one i said that only the rapist you should be killed not woman she should rather given a more respectful stature in a society...

You think that women should be banned from driving? Please tell me where the sharia says this.

this is in Saudia okay and you seem to listen to Zakir Naik much you would have known the answer to it....

You think 15 girls should be beaten with sticks and made to go back into a school that is on fire because they did not have their faces covered? All 15 girls died in that building - you think this is what Allah or the Prophet said or wanted?

Like wise this i can also make many examples like that but having said so i say i trust your words because you are Muslim okay if it is done in Afghanistan Taliban government did that then it is wrong you know.... look sister i know their may be many things which Taliban did would be wrong but many are also good ones.... having said so it is wrong..... look some person steals something or kill some one in Egypt may i say that the government of Egypt is wrong the individual or group of people is wrong sister......

This you say is Islam!! How dare you try to say this is the law of Allah and say He would want children to die in His name because no-one should see their face. May Allah forgive you for your ignorance and teach you to have compassion for your sisters. I hope you will pray for these girls and for all sisters that are so badly treated by men in the name of Islam.

you know seem to misunderstood or you just saying what i never had said sister.....it seems funny....you know sister i take all my other Muslim sister like my own sister...you know you are talking me about compassion to sister???????????????????? sister i never said what you try to extract... you know my father died when i was just 5 year old sister from that point uptill now my whole life revolve around Muslim woman because i have only my mother and my sister in my family if would not know about that then who will??? and i do not know about compassion to my sisters??? sister if i would support to kill a woman to where burka i should die at that day.... and not only burka we should also not kill any of our Muslim Woman for not wearing Islamic rather we should talk to them teach them hadith and Quran and try to do it i more peaceful manner.....I thank to you for praying for me sister...i know my intentions were not of any what you extracted but having said so thanks for your Dua.....

[islamis4u]

Does a woman have a choice when she is raped?

i replied it

Should girls choose to stay and die in a fire because there is no time to cover their faces?

i never said so and replied it.....

But we have changed it, again and again until we have girls dying in fires, women beaten with sticks for walking or talking too loudly and rape victims being stoned to death. The sharia does not say we must do any of these things but some Muslims do it every day.

You know i have replied it above having said so rape victims are not stoned to death sister... i havn't seen this kind of example in Islamic society sister i do not know from where are you saying that.... if you have read my other post i will provide you the link to that post and you would please read that also then you would be answered.....

I would want the man or men killed according to our laws and I would even kill them myself but why then in so many places are the women this happens to killed and the men are not punished at all? Where does the Quran or Sunnah say to kill a woman that has been so badly treated in this way? Where does it say that a man that does this should not be punished?

where have i said that in my post sister about this??????

Why did a sharia court order that 6 men from the court must rape a woman in front of the people because her brother was too young to be punished? Tell me where it says a woman can be punished for something her brother does????

it is wrong and where are you saying this sister i think you have your fantasy world where you are taking out these things give some source with out source i can't believe it having said so if true then that shriah court should be banned........

Of course you cannot tell me because it is not a part of Islam and yet this happened and it was a sharia court that did it. But you will defend them and ask if I am a Muslim. Please remember that on the Day of Judgement you will be asked about this and you will be asked why you supprted actions that are against the laws of Allah (swt).

i do not know where i supported that?? i havn't sister first of all i think you misunderstood me sister thanks for reminding me alhamdulilah i have always that in my mind that what will i do when i return back to my Allah SWT im very much afraid because you know i have already said that i think in Eyes of Allah SWT im the biggest sinner of the world.....

You are a wonderful example of what is currently wrong with Muslims. You will accept these things, you will even defend them and will not open your eyes and see that they are wrong and are against the teachings of Allah (swt) and the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh).

I do not defend them sister if they something if do this what you told me then it is wrong but you should also tell me some sources also but again i say if they what you wrote then it is wrong.....You said that Allah SWT knows best about anyones faith and on other hand you are questioning my faith Allah SWT knows my intentions also before and after writing it sister...you i say i that im not superior then any other Muslim Woman or Muslim sister......I do neglect my much more then you do but sister what you wrote it was not what i wanted to say sister.......

I remember one thing from your post sister...our scholars or ulema you know what they teach us that we should not see our Muslim sister or brother down upon...they said you know why because we do not know their true intentions you know they teach us that we should also not see some Muslim down upon even in our eyes he or she comitts so many sins that they have no limit you know sister....... they told us why look they said because we do not know thier intentions, or may be look if we look someone down upon our sister or brother and he would have already asked for forgiveness from Allah SWT would have forgave him because ALLAH SWT knows the best and ALLAH SWT is just and forgive those who deserve it sister... and think bad of that Muslim sister brother will lower us in Eyes of Allah SWT... i never way want to say that i was hurt from your things of saying me that rather i just want to tell it to you that you should not you should but all of us should not think like, im not in any way teaching it but tell and it might be that you might know it already and might be workin or what you can say doing on this Islamic aspect. Allah knows best. Your words never hurt me sister....

So many Muslims are scared to speak out for truth and justice because as you have done with me, they will say "you are not Muslim" or "how can you be Muslim if you do not accept this". Well I will speak out and may Allah be my witness that I am a true Muslim.

Im not scared to speak out truth sister but the thing is you misunderstood me sister and im not the one to question any one elses faith if i do not know of mine sister.............Sister yes you might be true Muslims because i do not know what are merits for you to being a true Muslims, for mine is life of Sahaba(R.A) and Holy Prophet(pbuh) , i know im not like them but i aim to be true a true Muslim and try my best to be true Muslim.

Read it First,
Sister please do read my whole post because you know i write these with much hard work i spent 1 and half hour writing this post when i have so much study work on me,ll if you would not read it wholly you would again misunderstand me sister, Sister and please do quote me completely, like i do so that the reader would know what i said at whole you know reader do not see what i have said in other post and you take out one sentence and forget what wrote above and after it and this creates much doubts in readers mind please please do quote me fully, and answer every thing i said like i answer every line of post if agree or not if not then why? Sister i takes much time rather than reading okay sister.... I'm not directing your ordering you because I'm no one to do that but pleading you sister.....I have no shame in pleading a Muslim. Sister please please please forgive me i misunderstood you and also you misunderstood me sister, sister i can not let my other Muslim fellow woman or man to be hurt because of me, though my intention were not that but rather misunderstanding came into it, i have also to answer my Allah SWT at Day of Judgment also, I was not questioning your faith it was just expression not more then that sister. Sister also please do provide some sources not that i doubt you but i should also know it and tell my friends.



****A Note
I have some doubts on the hijab and burka im just researching already on it and already is being researching on it because many ulema say that covering face is fardh many say it is not, im just researching and asking many different ulema about this and why they support what they say until and unless im not clear about it... so i say i would not speak more on this hijab and burka until and unless im clear about this and please do not take it in the post but i wrote because i just wanted you to know it because until and unless im dead a sured on it i will not speak on it again. Do not take it in the post.

[islamis4u]

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on this page post number 6 it was the post i was pointing about in this above post .

[bananabrain]

islamis4u, you're going to have a very hard time in this world if you just claim that something is "propaganda" if it doesn't suit your view of the taliban. frankly, the atrocities of these so-called muslims are a matter of record in many independently verified sources. you might not be used to this in pakistan, where it seems that people will believe anything the ulema tell them, or the government tries to ban youtube (!) for containing material they consider to be insulting to islam. i've got news for you - the truth will always come out despite the efforts of despots. as for your attitude towards muslimwoman, it is breathtakingly patronising - all i am hearing from you is an attempt to try and silence what is perfectly reasonable criticism.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by islamis4u

look sister the system Taliban introduced in Afghanistan was according to the need of the people their they wanted complete Islamic Shariah imposed on their country so they did, people were much happier under their control

what Saudis Arabia does is accord to the Teachings of Islam, and is accord to Islamic Shariah,

I do not defend them sister if they something if do this what you told me then it is wrong but you should also tell me some sources also but again i say if they what you wrote then it is wrong

wa aleykum salaam brother

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post and I read everything you said very carefully. I know english is not your first language, so I do thank you for working so hard to be understood. I do not have much time today so I must answer very quickly.

But you do defend them. When you say the Taliban introduced according to the Islamic Sharia and you say what the Saudi's do is according to the teaching of Islam and Islamic Sharia, you are supporting them. You accept that 30% of the stories are true, so how can they live according to sharia?

Before you say that anyone lives according to Sharia please try to find out what they do and how they apply sharia.

"Since the start of the Afghan solar new year [on March 22, 2004], we have registered 234 burn victims, and 84 of those women have died as a result of their burns." -- Doctor Abdullah Ardalan

"My name is Fazela, I am 15 years old. On that particular day when I burned myself, my husband -- who is also my cousin -- had a fight with me. He beat me. And after I was beaten, I poured kerosene over myself. Then I lit myself on fire. Before this, I really wanted to leave this house. But he took my burqa and did not let me go outside of the house. Now I really regret that I burned myself."

Perspective on Women in Afghanistan

This is from the Muslim Womens League and talks about the Taliban banning womens education and how this ban goes against the teachings of Islam. Please note that they also banned women working and women were not allowed to be treated by male doctors, so if women could not work there were no women doctors to treat sick women.

RAWA is a womens group in Kabul, Afghanistan and this is their website. Please take time to read about the 4 year old girl that was raped, the women set on fire by their husbands, men that rape and nothing is done about it, young girls (from 7 years) forced to marry to pay debts of their fathers. Scroll down to the bottom and read some of the stories and then tell me that these people were happy to live under the Taliban and the Taliban lived according to Sharia.

Revolutionary Association of the Women of Afghanistan (RAWA)

As Muslims it is our duty to find the truth and not pretend it does not happen, it is too easy to close our eyes and say that is not Islam but that is the man made Islam many women live with every day and we must speak against it.

The 15 girls that were beaten and then died in a fire were from Saudi:

A civil defence officer told al-Eqtisadiah newspaper that he saw three members of the religious police "beating young girls to prevent them from leaving the school because they were not wearing the abaya".

I like to read this blog, it is written by a Saudi man and he started it because of the girls that died, this is how his blog starts, so nobody can say it is western propaganda:

In Memory of the lives of 15 Makkah Schoolgirls, lost when their school burnt down on Monday, 11th March, 2002. The Religious Police would not allow them to leave the building, nor allow the Firemen to enter.

The Religious Policeman

How can this be according to Islamic Sharia?

Originally Posted by islamis4u

You know i have replied it above having said so rape victims are not stoned to death sister...

Yes they are, you just have to read. This is not Islam but it is what Muslims do in many countries and claim it is Islam. In Africa many women are sentenced to stoning after being raped, because they cannot produce 4 witnesses to say they were raped but the court says their pregancy is proof of zina. Also many Muslim families all over the world kill their daughters, often by stoning if they are raped, they are called "honor killings" and happen regularly in southern Egypt.

Perhimpunan Agung UMNO 2003 - News

He said that rape victims under Pas' hudud need to have four witnesses of impeccable character to prove their allegations.

"If four witnesses were to merely watch a woman being raped and not attempt to help her, would they not be regarded as having sinned (for allowing a woman to be raped) and are not be fit to be witnesses?" he said.

Under Pas' hudud also, rape victims would in turn become the accused in the event that she could not make the four witnesses available.

This was said by the former Malaysian Prime Minister Tun Dr. Mahathir and I think he should know what the laws said in his own country.

Now I ask you, how many men will go out to rape a woman and take 4 good pious Muslim men as witnesses?

Originally Posted by islamis4u

they said you know why because we do not know their true intentions you know they teach us that we should also not see some Muslim down upon even in our eyes he or she comitts so many sins that they have no limit.......

and the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) said we must fight oppression wherever we find it. He also said we must help the oppressed and the oppressor, when asked how we should help the oppressor the Prophet answered "by stopping them from oppressing".

Originally Posted by islamis4u

I have some doubts on the hijab and burka im just researching already on it and already is being researching on it because many ulema say that covering face is fardh many say it is not, im just researching and asking many different ulema about this and why they support what they say until and unless im not clear about it...

I will be interested to know what you find out. I will not answer your comments about women going naked because they are just silly, I am a Muslimah and I wear hijab because I want to, I can dress modestly without covering my face or hands. If my husband tried to pressure me to wear it I would refuse because my faith in Allah (swt) is my own and cannot be forced on me.

[islamis4u]

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Originally Posted by bananabrain

islamis4u, you're going to have a very hard time in this world if you just claim that something is "propaganda" if it doesn't suit your view of the taliban. frankly, the atrocities of these so-called muslims are a matter of record in many independently verified sources. you might not be used to this in pakistan, where it seems that people will believe anything the ulema tell them, or the government tries to ban youtube (!) for containing material they consider to be insulting to islam. i've got news for you - the truth will always come out despite the efforts of despots. as for your attitude towards muslimwoman, it is breathtakingly patronising - all i am hearing from you is an attempt to try and silence what is perfectly reasonable criticism.

b'shalom

bananabrain

You know i did not stop her to say anything and how can i stop her??? The things is i do not know how many times said that in the posts if Talibans did these thing then they are wrong and i would the first one to raise voice againest them, secondly i said that not all are properganda but most of it is, I again say that if they do these things which Muslim Woman told us i will be the first one to raise voice againest them!!!!

You can have criticsm againest people or group of people but cant have critism againest Islam it self.....


Lastly im not replying the other posts you made BananaBrain because i already have said that i have some problems, and my final exams are also at my head also my University entry test are also and this is where in Pakistan you make your future so i will not be so active or may be i would have to take 2 or 3 months break also so that do not means im running away so im sorry for that i know you are not asking for that but i just replied because it should have not doubts about it...

[islamis4u]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

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