Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher

[Islamfac]

lol.. someone posted this on our forum too. We all had a laugh.

If moses was high, more power to him. There was no drug laws back then..

but even more than that... to all 3000 israelites were also high and saw the same thing???

I dont know if you all know anything about drugs, but usually a trip is different for every individual.

[Alex P]

Second hand smoke.... Next question? lol...

"tripping" can indeed be different for people but it depends on what you are taking, what scene is set, what mood y'all in and if y'all taking the same thing then that thing has a trait, it makes you high, it makes you low, it makes you nervous, it makes you horny, it makes you excited, it makes you really see things, it makes you feel things, it makes you pass out... It makes you not able to stand still, it makes you twitch, it makes you chew your teeth.... You know? So perhaps they all took the same stuff?

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Second hand smoke.... Next question? lol...

"tripping" can indeed be different for people but it depends on what you are taking, what scene is set, what mood y'all in and if y'all taking the same thing then that thing has a trait, it makes you high, it makes you low, it makes you nervous, it makes you horny, it makes you excited, it makes you really see things, it makes you feel things, it makes you pass out... It makes you not able to stand still, it makes you twitch, it makes you chew your teeth.... You know? So perhaps they all took the same stuff?

Hmm, makes you want to think about what was in the manna....

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Hmm, makes you want to think about what was in the manna....

Looked it up on the ol' wiki...



Wow... *cringes* I just noticed Wiki made a spelling error, I'll have to uhm, inform them.

[Thomas]

What gets me are the people who insist such spiritual experiences must be drug related, because that's the only logical conclusion ... and then insist drugs are a gateway to authentic spiritual experience!

(And of course, the experience of anything under the influence of narcotics is absolutely meaningful and reliable)

Thomas

[Islamfac]

lol.. they didn't get manna while they were at the mountain, did they?

Thomas, today, all of the Prophets who saw spirits or God would be put in a loony bin and fed prozack.

if your not on drugs they will put you on drugs.. lol

isnt this the thinking of the middle ages about the people who invented ideas like the earth was round?

if it defied logic in their minds you are drunk, on drugs or just plan crazy.

[Dream]

Eating foods that are extremely spicy can give you a high -- a combination of very hot & very bitter will do it. It hurts, but once your mouth gets used to it you can experience new vistas of taste. (Kids, don't try this at home.)

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Looked it up on the ol' wiki...



Wow... *cringes* I just noticed Wiki made a spelling error, I'll have to uhm, inform them.

Yeah. Wiki sux.

[Thomas]

Originally Posted by Islamfac

isnt this the thinking of the middle ages about the people who invented ideas like the earth was round?

That the people in the Middle Ages thought the earth was flat was a myth ... everyone knew the earth was round, and had done since the Greeks, if not before.

I'm not against anyone assuming that someone was off their head on drugs, what really cracks me up is the assumption that anyone off their head on drugs is likely to have an authentic spiritual experience ... that's about as true as Columbus worried about sailing off the edge of the world ...

Thomas

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Dream

Eating foods that are extremely spicy can give you a high -- a combination of very hot & very bitter will do it. It hurts, but once your mouth gets used to it you can experience new vistas of taste. (Kids, don't try this at home.)

Oh, so that explains why I like hot peppers stuffed with almonds, dipped in melted bittersweet chocolate and sprinkled with cinnamon?

[wil]

Originally Posted by Thomas

That the people in the Middle Ages thought the earth was flat was a myth ... everyone knew the earth was round, and had done since the Greeks, if not before.

I'm not against anyone assuming that someone was off their head on drugs, what really cracks me up is the assumption that anyone off their head on drugs is likely to have an authentic spiritual experience ... that's about as true as Columbus worried about sailing off the edge of the world ...

Thomas

Namaste Thomas,

There are plenty of folks that have had spiritual experiences while high. I'd say proportionately folks that go in with a group or controlled situation with the intention of a spiritual experience utlizing entheogens are more likely to have an experience that changes their life than those who do so simply by prayer, meditation, scripture, reading and classes.

One of the studies here in the states finds that one trip is all it takes, they don't wish to take another trip and they have insights that change their perspective from that time onward.

One can go the monastary route to separate oneself for the ego driven material life, it doesn't always work, plenty of egos in the monastary. But if one is simply going to classes, attending services, and expects some ground breaking eureka without devoting extensive time to devotions, meditations, contemplations in order to break down the crap that enfuses our dailiy life, play the lottery.

Now I'm not saying all drug use is a religious experience. I'm not recomending the use of any substance. Most folks I'd say are out for the party and out to discount reality for any of a number of reasons, most of them not spiritual, and highly ego related.

However in a few hours, in a day, there are ways to leave this reality and experience another, call it what you will, but don't discount it as nothing, not unless you wish others to discount your beliefs as nothing.

Judge not, less ye be judged by the same measure.

peace brother,

wil

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by seattlegal

Oh, so that explains why I like hot peppers stuffed with almonds, dipped in melted bittersweet chocolate and sprinkled with cinnamon?

I like mine with a dash of lysergic acid diethylamide.

[Opal]

Originally Posted by wil

Namaste all,

Anyone heard of this guy?

Moses was high on drugs: Israeli researcher


High on Mount Sinai, Moses was on psychedelic drugs when he heard God deliver the Ten Commandments, an Israeli researcher claimed in a study published this week.

Such mind-altering substances formed an integral part of the religious rites of Israelites in biblical times, Benny Shanon, a professor of cognitive psychology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem wrote in the Time and Mind journal of philosophy.
"As far Moses on Mount Sinai is concerned, it was either a supernatural cosmic event, which I don't believe, or a legend, which I don't believe either, or finally, and this is very probable, an event that joined Moses and the people of Israel under the effect of narcotics," Shanon told Israeli public radio on Tuesday.
Moses was probably also on drugs when he saw the "burning bush," suggested Shanon, who said he himself has dabbled with such substances.
"The Bible says people see sounds, and that is a clasic phenomenon," he said citing the example of religious ceremonies in the Amazon in which drugs are used that induce people to "see music."
He mentioned his own experience when he used ayahuasca, a powerful psychotropic plant, during a religious ceremony in Brazil's Amazon forest in 1991. "I experienced visions that had spiritual-religious connotations," Shanon said. He said the psychedelic effects of ayahuasca were comparable to those produced by concoctions based on bark of the acacia tree, that is frequently mentioned in the Bible.

I came across that a while ago. Frankly, I find that rather offensive even though it doesnt 'affect' my personal beliefs.

Honestly: how rude.

If only all drugs would inspire people to reveal such wonderful scriptures that inspire the lives of millions of people.

[Dream]

Oh, so that explains why I like hot peppers stuffed with almonds, dipped in melted bittersweet chocolate and sprinkled with cinnamon?

That's probably why. How do they get the almonds in there?

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Dream

That's probably why. How do they get the almonds in there?

Via the same route you remove the seeds from the chilies. (Be sure to wear your rubber gloves.)