More about Hell - Page 5

shadowman · 05-07-2007, 12:49 AM

I should hope not. I know better than to let humans choose a hellish state for all eternity. I just dont think I could let that one slip by my all seeing eye.

shadowman · 05-07-2007, 12:58 AM

and yeah those things are scary. I was terrified when someone witnessed to me about revelation back in 3rd grade. They told me the world was ending and the middle east situation proved it (this was before or during the gulf war)

I had nightmares about people being thrown into a huge lake of fire, or the sun exploding or stuff like that.

I dont see whats so great about being judgemental... whats so great about that. this world is so messed up, people are dying, kids are being soldiers (both here and of course in countries where kids are like 8 and 10 years old) people are exploited. while we have conversations about god, people are dying and suffering with disease, denied treatment because of shifty medicine moneymakers, people are being butchered with malatov cocktails, suicide bombs, machetes,its ridiculous. in america all the middle class people watch tv and BS and have their careers where in indonesia women and girls are making nike sneakers. its just insane. and after putting up with this wretched world, we turn to god. and god doesnt show up, he condemns us all, he fixes nothing for us, and if we dont like his ways we can go to hell, which is where we are headed for anyway since we are all not perfect like god. god is the most selfish thing in existance. nothing can get him down! and why does he let satan running around trying to lead people to hell. and why does he let people reject him forever. I mean come on, the most perfect being in creation wont help someone in hell? he turns a blind eye forever and doesnt give a second chance?

and why is judging so great. isnt judging bad? nothing makes sense at all.

pattimax · 05-07-2007, 03:14 AM

I'm sorry you had nightmares, obviously the person "witnessing" didn't really explain it.

Define what you mean by judgemental.

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kids are being soldiers
people are exploited
people are dying and suffering with disease
denied treatment because of shifty medicine moneymakers
people are being butchered with malatov cocktails
suicide bombs
machetes

This is NOT God.

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he turns a blind eye forever and doesnt give a second chance?

Where are you getting this? Christianity is all about 2nd chances (and 3rd, 4th, etc...) That is how much He truly loves you.

shadowman · 05-07-2007, 03:18 AM

yeah but no second chance after death. why does god decide after a while "OK Im done with you, now the decision is final and you can never go back"

whats the point of doing that?

pattimax · 05-07-2007, 03:35 AM

Think you'll want to go back?

(I would question the common sense and/or integrity of someone using Revelation to witness to a 3rd grader)

LeoSalinas22 · 05-07-2007, 04:55 PM

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no, none of that really makes sense

Hebrews 5 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.my bad, shadowbaby, i mean shadowman. i have fed you meat when i should be feeding you milk. you are still unskilled in the words of righteousness, for you are still like a baby. again, i am sorry. i thought you could handle "meat". i hope i didn't confuse you. does that make sense?

Prober · 05-07-2007, 05:06 PM

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yeah but no second chance after death. why does god decide after a while "OK Im done with you, now the decision is final and you can never go back"

whats the point of doing that?

Each day, while one is alive, is a second chance. At death, chances have been used up (imo). This seems to me rather generous.

shadowman · 05-07-2007, 07:43 PM

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Hebrews 5 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.my bad, shadowbaby, i mean shadowman. i have fed you meat when i should be feeding you milk. you are still unskilled in the words of righteousness, for you are still like a baby. again, i am sorry. i thought you could handle "meat". i hope i didn't confuse you. does that make sense?

you could just explain what you initially posted.

also I find it funny that god lets people eat meat in the bible.

humans dont have the teeth structure to properly eat meat. and we are not biologically fit to eat it raw. It should be noted that we also do not relish biting into the jugular of an animal to kill it, we do not relish the taste of raw meat, and most of us dont relish the the idea of brutally killing our food, and feeling hot blod dribble down our chins. are we naturally supposed to be eating meat at all? some people think not. but this is debateable

shadowman · 05-07-2007, 07:47 PM

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Each day, while one is alive, is a second chance. At death, chances have been used up (imo). This seems to me rather generous.

how on earth do you come up with parameters of language to describe things as generous when we are dealing with the scenario in question? By calling this action generous are you trying to make me feel guilty?

seriously though, how do you come up with definitions for generous and just and fair when dealing with this creator to creation dynamic. when a creator creates things, are their fixed rules that say "what everyone deserves" or something?

torture guy: just tell me where the rebel base is! Im giving you another chance, it will be too late one day. Im being generous.

shadowman · 05-07-2007, 07:55 PM

the thing Im saying, is that a creator doesnt have to even think about hell, it doesnt have to cross his mind. he is omniscient and knows all and has the ability to create will or at least think about ANYTHING.

so why would he create a reality where conscious beings get tortured one way or another. all you guys are doing is saying how he justifies it.

but really, can something like this REALLY be justified? Can we really say that there are parameters where people deserve and should be tortured for all time? Im seeing that the christian answer is yes, in some cases it is ok for humans to be tormented forever.

pattimax · 05-07-2007, 09:56 PM

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so why would he create a reality where conscious beings get tortured one way or another. all you guys are doing is saying how he justifies it.

but really, can something like this REALLY be justified?

Christian experience is a spiritual sense, taste, or relish of the goodness, sweetness, and excellence of the truths in the gospel. Words can’t really express the satisfaction in which the soul receives from the sense of Divine goodness, grace, and love we have in Christ. But it sure can be justified.

Prober · 05-07-2007, 10:09 PM

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how on earth do you come up with parameters of language to describe things as generous when we are dealing with the scenario in question? By calling this action generous are you trying to make me feel guilty?

seriously though, how do you come up with definitions for generous and just and fair when dealing with this creator to creation dynamic. when a creator creates things, are their fixed rules that say "what everyone deserves" or something?

Does not a creator have all power and authority over his creation?

"It is of the LORD's mercies that we are not consumed, because his compassions fail not." Lamentations 3:22

Prober · 05-07-2007, 10:12 PM

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humans dont have the teeth structure to properly eat meat. and we are not biologically fit to eat it raw. It should be noted that we also do not relish biting into the jugular of an animal to kill it, we do not relish the taste of raw meat, and most of us dont relish the the idea of brutally killing our food, and feeling hot blod dribble down our chins. are we naturally supposed to be eating meat at all? some people think not.

I completely agree with you here.

pattimax · 05-08-2007, 12:40 AM

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you could just explain what you initially posted.

also I find it funny that god lets people eat meat in the bible.

This is Hebrews 5:11-14 from The Message

I have a lot more to say about this, but it is hard to get it across to you since you've picked up this bad habit of not listening. By this time you ought to be teachers yourselves, yet here I find you need someone to sit down with you and go over the basics on God again, starting from square one—baby's milk, when you should have been on solid food long ago! Milk is for beginners, inexperienced in God's ways; solid food is for the mature, who have some practice in telling right from wrong.

It HAS absolutely nothing to do with eating habits.

shadowman · 05-08-2007, 04:38 AM

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Does not a creator have all power and authority over his creation?

I dont know