meaning of sin? - Page 2

lunamoth · 11-10-2006, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Thomas

I think I have posted this before but ...

A Jesuit goes to his Spiritual Director (this story was told by a Bendictine), and asks, "Is it OK to smoke while I pray?"

"Of course not!" roars his SD, "What foolishness is this? When in prayer there should ne no distractions, and certainly nothing as idle as smoking!"

"OK then," replied the Jesuit, who, being 'a soldier of Christ' was not at all disturbed by the outrage invoked in his mentor, "is it OK to pray while I smoke?"

"Of course!" beamed the other, "God is ever with us, and we should ever be with him!"

Thomas

Love it!

Marietta · 11-10-2006, 04:36 AM

Greetings BLAZNFATTYZ,

Our thoughts (and words) are powerful beyond imagination and do not return to us void. Every thought we think goes out into the universe and like a stone tossed into a pond sets in motion ripples that create. In other words our thoughts create. Therefore if your thoughts are of a nature that would infringe upon the free will of another, it becomes sin.

God created us with free will which allows for opposite expression even when it goes against the will of God. This is pure Love.

Love and Light, Marietta

BlaznFattyz · 11-10-2006, 07:12 PM

thoughts alone are only known to you and god. it only affects others when it is acted upon; either through action--either verbally or non-verbally. but thoughts on their own cannot affect others, it has to be coupled with action. unless you can move objects with your mind or will others with your mind; however, that is not an ability god has given us.

Marietta · 11-10-2006, 07:23 PM

BLAZNFATTYZ, We originally spoke telepathically. The use of our throat to bring speech about happened at the tower of Babel. There are still many who practice telepathy (reading the feelings -energy field-of others). At birth all new born babies use this form of communication and only lost the ability when the begin to speak verbally.
Each thought we think inadvertently effects everyone. Actually we can move objects with our mind. I have personally moved very small objects with my mind. There used to be a large group of people who bent spoons with their mind and I know personally a few that still practice this form of mind controlled manifestation. God did give us this ability however most of us have forgotten how to use this ability.

Love and Light, Marietta

BlaznFattyz · 11-10-2006, 07:34 PM

we were talking about sin, not spoons.

can we get back to topic please?!

Dor · 11-10-2006, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Marietta

BLAZNFATTYZ, We originally spoke telepathically. The use of our throat to bring speech about happened at the tower of Babel. There are still many who practice telepathy (reading the feelings -energy field-of others). At birth all new born babies use this form of communication and only lost the ability when the begin to speak verbally.
Each thought we think inadvertently effects everyone. Actually we can move objects with our mind. I have personally moved very small objects with my mind. There used to be a large group of people who bent spoons with their mind and I know personally a few that still practice this form of mind controlled manifestation. God did give us this ability however most of us have forgotten how to use this ability.

Love and Light, Marietta

What the hell does any of this have to do with sin?

Quahom1 · 11-10-2006, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

What the hell does any of this have to do with sin?

Agreed. Let's keep the paranormal in the appropriate venue Marietta.

v/r

Joshua

Marietta · 11-10-2006, 08:15 PM

Greetings Dor and Quahom1, Now, Now no need to start getting hostile.

If the two of you have been following this thread you would know how this applies to sin.
BLAZENFATTY had stated that sin can occure in the thoughts and this is all relevant to that statement.

I had written:
Sin is taking free will away from another. So simply ask yourself the question, if I do this (whatever it may be that you are contemplating as being sin) does it infringe on the free will choice of another.
BLAZENFATTY responded: sin can be done in spirit, in the heart of man.. there it does not affect the other persons will, but it affects your relationship with god.
I responded:
Our thoughts (and words) are powerful beyond imagination and do not return to us void. Every thought we think goes out into the universe and like a stone tossed into a pond sets in motion ripples that create. In other words our thoughts create. Therefore if your thoughts are of a nature that would infringe upon the free will of another, it becomes sin.

God created us with free will which allows for opposite expression even when it goes against the will of God. This is pure Love.

BLAZENFATTY replied:
thoughts alone are only known to you and god. it only affects others when it is acted upon; either through action--either verbally or non-verbally. but thoughts on their own cannot affect others, it has to be coupled with action. unless you can move objects with your mind or will others with your mind; however, that is not an ability god has given us.

To which I wrote:We originally spoke telepathically. The use of our throat to bring speech about happened at the tower of Babel. There are still many who practice telepathy (reading the feelings -energy field-of others). At birth all new born babies use this form of communication and only lost the ability when the begin to speak verbally.
Each thought we think inadvertently effects everyone. Actually we can move objects with our mind. I have personally moved very small objects with my mind. There used to be a large group of people who bent spoons with their mind and I know personally a few that still practice this form of mind controlled manifestation. God did give us this ability however most of us have forgotten how to use this ability.

Love and Light, Marietta

Quahom1 · 11-10-2006, 08:21 PM

well....I can't argue with that. To think in sin is to sin. Christ said as much. Just goes to show how imperfect we really are. The telepathy thing though...hmmm.

Dor · 11-10-2006, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Marietta

Greetings Dor and Quahom1, Now, Now no need to start getting hostile.

If the two of you have been following this thread you would know how this applies to sin.
BLAZENFATTY had stated that sin can occure in the thoughts and this is all relevant to that statement.

I had written:
Sin is taking free will away from another. So simply ask yourself the question, if I do this (whatever it may be that you are contemplating as being sin) does it infringe on the free will choice of another.
BLAZENFATTY responded: sin can be done in spirit, in the heart of man.. there it does not affect the other persons will, but it affects your relationship with god.
I responded:
Our thoughts (and words) are powerful beyond imagination and do not return to us void. Every thought we think goes out into the universe and like a stone tossed into a pond sets in motion ripples that create. In other words our thoughts create. Therefore if your thoughts are of a nature that would infringe upon the free will of another, it becomes sin.

God created us with free will which allows for opposite expression even when it goes against the will of God. This is pure Love.

BLAZENFATTY replied:
thoughts alone are only known to you and god. it only affects others when it is acted upon; either through action--either verbally or non-verbally. but thoughts on their own cannot affect others, it has to be coupled with action. unless you can move objects with your mind or will others with your mind; however, that is not an ability god has given us.

To which I wrote:We originally spoke telepathically. The use of our throat to bring speech about happened at the tower of Babel. There are still many who practice telepathy (reading the feelings -energy field-of others). At birth all new born babies use this form of communication and only lost the ability when the begin to speak verbally.
Each thought we think inadvertently effects everyone. Actually we can move objects with our mind. I have personally moved very small objects with my mind. There used to be a large group of people who bent spoons with their mind and I know personally a few that still practice this form of mind controlled manifestation. God did give us this ability however most of us have forgotten how to use this ability.

Love and Light, Marietta

I am not getting hostile. It just has no bearing on sin if we can bend spoons.

Thoughts. If I see some woman and think about having sex with her. Well guess what I just sinned. Oh and guess what it was in thought and spirit.
Oh and guess what she does not have the least idea I thought that so it did not affect her free will and that thought affected nothing outside my brain.
But that said it was still a sin.

BlaznFattyz · 11-10-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dor

I am not getting hostile. It just has no bearing on sin if we can bend spoons.

Thoughts. If I see some woman and think about having sex with her. Well guess what I just sinned. Oh and guess what it was in thought and spirit.
Oh and guess what she does not have the least idea I thought that so it did not affect her free will and that thought affected nothing outside my brain.
But that said it was still a sin.

bingo!... lets not make this more difficult than it is.

Quahom1 · 11-10-2006, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

bingo!... lets not make this more difficult than it is.

Didn't I just say that?

BlaznFattyz · 11-10-2006, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Didn't I just say that?

ya but you didnt say bingo for added effect.

Marietta · 11-10-2006, 09:13 PM

Greetings Dor, I'm sorry if I took you wrong but when someone uses profanity to me that implies hostility especially coming from someone claiming to be a christian in a christian form.

Bending spoons has to do with the power of the mind causing sin. It was used and an allegory. I assumed everyone could understood that, just goes to show I should never assume anything. Blazenfatty had stated that thoughts stay within the mind of the person and proceeded to state that if thoughts left the mind they could move objects, thus my story of spoon bending. I hope this helps you understand. In any literature you have to keep things in the context of the entire text to know what is being said.

You wrote:
Oh and guess what she does not have the least idea I thought that so it did not affect her free will and that thought affected nothing outside my brain.

My reply: Did you ask her permission to have sex with her in your brain? If not you violated her by using her image to have covert sex with taking her free will away. You also caused this act to take place in another place. When you think such thoughts they actually happen in another time vector or in the astral plain and thus yes you have committed the act.

Love and Light, Marietta

Dor · 11-10-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Marietta

Greetings Dor, I'm sorry if I took you wrong but when someone uses profanity to me that implies hostility especially coming from someone claiming to be a christian in a christian form.
Love and Light, Marietta

Sorry for the misunderstanding.
In my Christian mind hell is not a profanity it is simply a location.