Marijuana

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by InLove

Well, I guess if you know you have an issue with epileptic type siezures, then you should stay away from it. I have known a couple of people who told me after the first time, they just never wanted it again. I think some people don't know ahead of time.

That comes down to user error in all fairness... Such as say a music festival... With loads of flashy light systems and such... They can cause panic or epiletic attacks... Doesn't mean they are all bad ;/ well I dont think it does.. Should check into it before you take part... *nods his head*

[InLove]

Oh I agree, Angel. I wasn't presenting a blanket argument against marijuana use. Rather just following up on Francis's comments about medical issues--and it was a good opportunity to post a warning to those who might not know this. (nods back)

InPeace,
InLove

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by Francis king

interesting that in nine whole pages nobody has mentioned that cannabis is a hallucinogenic agent, and even though it is not considered as potent a hallucinogen as LSD, it is still hallucinogenic... fact...

becuase it is an hallucinogen, it alters the perceptual reality of the user......

Thank you, Francis, for the very useful and interesting information. Most people that I know do not think of marijuana as a hallucinogen, yet I agree with that categorization.

In my experience, being a sensitive/empathic type, I approach any kind of mind-altering agent like this with extreme caution and regard for it as an actual living entity. I find it's a good idea to actually try to bond with the plant (or whatever substance) in a sacred way, before and during the experience. This means having conversations with it, appreciating it as an intelligence of its own. Granted, this may sound silly to some, but I find it important.

All that said, and despite my recent light-hearted advocation of cannabis and other drugs in these forums, I rarely engage in these types of encounters. To me, they tend to be overwhelmingly powerful and, though worth it in the long run, can disrupt my life for days, weeks, or months after the fact. In short, I'm scared of the damn things. I think that is good, though. It keeps me in check and makes sure I respect their power.

Peace,
Pathless

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Pathless

Thank you, Francis, for the very useful and interesting information. Most people that I know do not think of marijuana as a hallucinogen, yet I agree with that categorization.

I wouldn't -personally- class it as a hallucinogen.. I guess it can effect people different ways... It's just a "downer" for me... Well... Apart when I use certain strands then it is an "upper" *chuckles* Acid, Mushies and X oh yah now that is hallucinogen..... ;\ I have never had anywhere near the trip on weed that I have with X, acid or shrooms.

Seeing this is a religious site, thought I'd share this too see your thoughts? lol..


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[Pathless]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

I wouldn't -personally- class it as a hallucinogen.. I guess it can effect people different ways... It's just a "downer" for me... Well... Apart when I use certain strands then it is an "upper" *chuckles*

That's interesting and I believe it does indeed interact with different people in different ways. I agree with you that it is not as potent a hallucinogen as LSD, although I have experienced some slight visual hallucinations through smoking marijuana. Interestingly enough, I've not experienced hallucinations via mushrooms, although I have seen the "purple haze" cast over my visual field.

For my personal experience, LSD scrambles the mind away from rationality or into a hyper-rationality that gets lost and morphs into some really strange thought processes. Yet calling them "thought processes" is not quite correct, so alien does the mind become. Seems like they are some other kind of happening rather than "thoughts" as we know them in our sober, human, rational state. Not only do the "thought processes" morph, but they become transferred into visual and auditory (and probably other types for other people) hallucinations, so that it becomes a full-on sensory experience.

With cannabis, I've experienced a morphing of thoughts akin to LSD, but not as extreme. I recently heard Terence McKenna describe the human/marijuana interfaced consciousness as being one of pulling back in a way that allows a greater "scanning" of information or thoughts. Hence the kind of "ADHD" symptoms of stoned people: "Whoa man, look at that." And hence the grand, subjective and speculative philosophising for which they are notorious, and for which they are often ridiculed by "straight" people. Of course anyone who has experienced these grand vistas of play and philosophy knows who the joke is really on.

Seeing this is a religious site, thought I'd share this too see your thoughts? lol..


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I'm intrigued after reading the front page and intend to do some in-depth explorations of the site.

Peace,
P

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Pathless

I've not experienced hallucinations via mushrooms, although I have seen the "purple haze" cast over my visual field.

That is an hallucination.

hal·lu·ci·na·tion /həˌlusəˈneɪʃən/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[huh-loo-suh-ney-shuhn]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1.a sensory experience of something that does not exist outside the mind, caused by various physical and mental disorders, or by reaction to certain toxic substances, and usually manifested as visual or auditory images. 2.the sensation caused by a hallucinatory condition or the object or scene visualized. 3.a false notion, belief, or impression; illusion; delusion.

Originally Posted by Pathless

I'm intrigued after reading the front page and intend to do some in-depth explorations of the site.

Good to hear..

Originally Posted by Pathless

For my personal experience, LSD scrambles the mind away from rationality or into a hyper-rationality that gets lost and morphs into some really strange thought processes. Yet calling them "thought processes" is not quite correct, so alien does the mind become. Seems like they are some other kind of happening rather than "thoughts" as we know them in our sober, human, rational state. Not only do the "thought processes" morph, but they become transferred into visual and auditory (and probably other types for other people) hallucinations, so that it becomes a full-on sensory experience.

That and Ether can be an.. Erm interesting time..

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

That is an hallucination.

Alright then. But it's kind of a low key, boring one. It just made me sleepy.

[17th Angel]

Exactly... but, still it made your visual levels change.

It is all -personal- effects.... To one person they can see rainbows and hear noise more vibrant on weed... Me it chills me out, the next person could become an insane laugher.... Or an obsessive eater... And it goes like that with all drugs, pretty much.

[I, Brian]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Seeing this is a religious site, thought I'd share this too see your thoughts? lol..


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Heh, familiar with the site owner from a webmaster forum - one I left after the guy made some very threatening comments against someone else I knew online.

[17th Angel]

wow... Small world.

[I, Brian]

Yep. And helped kill the "people who smoke pot are all peaceful" meme for myself.

[Tao_Equus]

I believe the word assasin has its origins in arabic and comes from one who smokes hash having no conscience.

[Pathless]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Yep. And helped kill the "people who smoke pot are all peaceful" meme for myself.

Oh, Reefer Madness did that for me.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by I, Brian

Yep. And helped kill the "people who smoke pot are all peaceful" meme for myself.

There are 60 unique chemicals to the marji plant... They are only in this plant and this alone.. The most favourite is obviously THC but there are many more... Some I cannot recall the name but it can cause people not to chill, infact quite the opposite it can kind of bring on a physcotic rage..... Heh, I'll look into this more as I haven't really given much detail eh? lol...

[mee]

How

Safe Is Marijuana?

A number of countries are considering legalizing marijuana, mainly for medicinal use. The drug has been found to alleviate the nausea caused by chemotherapy, and it evidently helps AIDS sufferers to overcome loss of appetite. It has also been used as a pain reliever.
While there is disagreement about the results of research findings, tests that were reported on in New Scientist magazine have established some of the harmful effects of marijuana.
A Harvard University test compared a group who smoked marijuana daily with a group who used it less often. They found little difference on standard mental tests. However, on one test dealing with adaptability, the heavy marijuana users scored much lower.
Another university tested a group of regular marijuana smokers and a group of cigarette smokers, over a period of 15 years. The marijuana smokers usually had three or four joints a day, while the cigarette smokers had 20 or more cigarettes a day. Equal numbers from both groups suffered from coughing and bronchitis. Examination of the lungs revealed similar cell damage in both groups.
Although the marijuana smokers indulged much less often, it was found that a single joint releases three times as much tar as a cigarette. Furthermore, New Scientist reported: "Marijuana smokers inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer."
In addition, immune cells from the lungs of the marijuana smokers were found to be 35 percent less capable of fighting bacteria than were cells from the cigarette smokers.