Madonna and Kaballah

[Sacredstar]

oh and apologies BB for my innocence it seems that

According to Sefer Yetzirah, each month has a:
letter, zodiac sign, tribe, sense, and a controlling limb.

I was unaware of the astrological influences involved in the Kabbalah.

being love

Sacredstar

[dauer]

Sacredstar,

if you believe Abraham is a mythical figure, how can you begin to say anything is true about him? It seems like you're choosing what will be true and what will not based on your own whims and then leaping to conclusions based on that. Let me give an example of this type of research:

Jesus is said to have risen from the dead. And he is also said to have knocked over the tables in the Temple. Therefore, Jesus was really the embodiment of Baal, coming back with wroth to destroy Jerusalem. The resurrection was just a way to perpetuate Baal's personal vendeta against Hashem. The rest is myth that was created to make Jesus look like a nice guy. He was really awful but because he was Baal he could attract people to worship his manifested form. Christianity is the child of Baal.

This is what can happen when we start making unresearched guesses about History based on biblical accounts, stringing together whatever serves our needs, yours probably being -- my assumption here -- to perpetuate New Age Egyptology.

Myself, I don't know that there was an Abraham at all. And I have no problem treating Abraham as entirely mythical, including all midrash, all commentary, anything about him in the Abraham mythos. I don't think we'll ever know the Historical Abraham, so I don't try. I'm happy with the Av-Raham I have.

Dauer

[Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine]

Sacred Star,

I want to ask from you a minor favor: before posting something related to Jewish mysticism (or anything related to Judaism), please talk with a competent rabbi or a priest who has studied the Jewish religion in a reputable comparative studies program. I'm sure that, if you ask politely, bananabrain would use the resources at his disposal to find someone for you to chat with.

Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

[Sacredstar]

Dear Dauer

Originally Posted by dauer

If you believe Abraham is a mythical figure, how can you begin to say anything is true about him? Myself, I don't know that there was an Abraham at all. And I have no problem treating Abraham as entirely mythical, including all midrash, all commentary, anything about him in the Abraham mythos. I don't think we'll ever know the Historical Abraham, so I don't try. I'm happy with the Av-Raham I have.

Firstly I do not know what is truth about him no more then anyone else does, but scripture tells the story. Are you saying that Abraham did not marry his wife off to Kings to gain riches for himself?

As far as the mythical Jesus is concerned a good friend is an historian and there is a great deal of scholars work on this subject.

Dear Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

Thank you for your concern, Dauer recommended some brilliant websites a week or so ago that have been developed by Rabbi's and they are excellent. I found the material to be much more interesting then the pagan site that BB recommended.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[dauer]

[quote=Sacredstar]Dear Dauer

Firstly I do not know what is truth about him no more then anyone else does, but scripture tells the story. Are you saying that Abraham did not marry his wife off to Kings to gain riches for himself?

It never says he marries her off. It just says he said she was his sister so things would go favorably with him. It doesn't even make it clear what is meant by "favorably." It could just mean that they're not going to kill him to get to his beautiful wife.

As far as the mythical Jesus is concerned a good friend is an historian and there is a great deal of scholars work on this subject.

Yes, there is a ton of research by competent scholars on this subject. And that is why there are about 5 different Historical Jesuses right now. There's Jesus the political rebel against rome, Jesus the mystic, the mysterious Jesus because we don't have enough information, Jesus the Pharisee, Jesus the pseudo-Essene, Jesus the familyman, Jesus the loner, Jesus born in wealth, Jesus born poor. etc etc.

It's midrash. It's entirely midrash. They approach the texts and make Jesus relevant to them. They happen to be doing it using scholarly methods. But they've all got completely different answers. So I wouldn't say you're any closer to the Historical Jesus than people were 100 years ago. Especially because you claim one of these midrashic readings is true.

Thank you for your concern, Dauer recommended some brilliant websites a week or so ago that have been developed by Rabbi's and they are excellent. I found the material to be much more interesting then the pagan site that BB recommended.

You do understand that Kabbalah is not Judaism, yes? Many Jews are happy to only be involved only with the exoteric part of their religion. Some call this stuff nonsense. And I do think it might be helpful to read a little of the exoteric so that you understand where this stuff fits into place. Otherwise it really is nonsense. It's not a separate system. It's dependant.

Do I sound harsh? I don't mean to. Okay okay. Sometimes I do. Not now though.

Dauer

[Sacredstar]

Dear Dauer

Originally Posted by dauer

1. Especially because you claim one of these midrashic readings is true.

2. You do understand that Kabbalah is not Judaism, yes? It's not a separate system. It's dependant.

3. Do I sound harsh? I don't mean to. Okay okay. Sometimes I do. Not now though.

Dauer

1. Well I do not claim that any are true but the scholars have certainly made it all very confusing for people especially as there is more then one man called Jesus written and accepted by the church. www.newadvent.com I found Jesus son of Nave (Nun)(Joshua) when searching for info on King David's father. So I asked myself why was I being shown this? A mystery indeed which I am sure will unfold as year's go by.

2. Yes I understand this but Gematria is connected to all letters/words not just hebrew letters. It is one of the secrets of the universe, gematria means 'measuring the earth'.

In the beginning was the word......was a very profound statement.

3. Not at all, thank you for sharing.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[dauer]

If you are interested in a universal gematria, check out Donmeh-West. They're the heirs of the Sabbatean Heresy.

http://www.donmeh-west.com/

I know they have something showing Om equals the Tetragramaton.

Dauer

[Sacredstar]

Dear Dauer

Thank you I will check him out I do like a heretic, it means he as a mind of his own.

Big smiles

Sacredstar

[bananabrain]

Thank you I will check him out I do like a heretic, it means he has a mind of his own.

and, by implication, non-heretics do not have minds of their own. thank you for the usual informed commentary. i've been aware of donmeh-west for a long time - i dare say they might appeal to people who like ritual wife-swapping and mystical apostasy and antinomianism. "heirs of 'yakob leib frank' forsooth. sabbateanism and frankism caused untold damage to the jewish world in their time and, in fact, they were directly responsible for uncounted acts of hillul haShem (desecration of the Divine Name) and making kabbalah synonymous with hysteria, hocus-pocus and depravity for the last three centuries.

sheesh.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Sacredstar]

Dear BB

Well you will be pleased to hear I wasn't that impressed by him, glad you don't take life seriously, lets have fun and celebrate life.

being love

Sacredstar

[bananabrain]

Gematria is connected to all letters/words not just hebrew letters. It is one of the secrets of the universe, gematria means 'measuring the earth'.

'gematria' is a greek loan-word: 'geometry'. now, although 'geometry' means 'earth measuring' in greek, it does not therefore necessarily follow that the aramaic word has the same connotations. after all, 'ispaklaria' is greek for 'mirror' and that is a word that has entirely different connotations in judaism. and although gematria also occurs with greek and arabic (and semitic languages based on 'abjads' in general) it does not therefore follow that it is connected to *all* letters and alphabets. it is entirely bogus to suggest that english, for example, can use gematria techniques, as it's a compound language with elements from northern-european languages and others from latin, greek and the romance languages. for a start, "color" and "colour" are variant spellings between the US and UK - this change in orthography would have massive implications in gematria.

i'm more than happy with fun and celebrating life, but i don't celebrate woolly thinking and relativist claptrap.

b'shalom

bananabrain

[Sacredstar]

Dear BB

I respect your views but on this one I must trust GOD.

Love beyond measure

Sacredstar

[dauer]

BB,

There are variant spellings in Hebrew too. That's part of what helped Bible Code work.

Dauer

[Sacredstar]

Dear BB

"this change in orthography would have massive implications in gematria"

Yes I agree hence the difference in nations and cultures through language.

being love

Sacredstar

[bananabrain]

I respect your views but on this one I must trust G!D.

at some point one must be able to trust one's own powers of comprehension. it is lucky for you that you are blessed with such a direct line to the boardroom.

dauer - i know there are variant spellings in hebrew, but in the matter of gematria calculations they are of necessity included at the time.

b'shalom

bananabrain