Lucifer as Christ's Brother

[Dondi]

Personal responsibility....why do we build religions to avoid it?

"Could it be....Satan?"

[wil]

Originally Posted by Dondi

"Could it be....Satan?"

nice catch!

[Bruce Michael]

Originally Posted by Thomas

So the Holy Spirit is relegated to a term for Lucifer, who now occupies the third place in the Trinity?

My my, I bet the celebration in the infernal regions went on into the wee small hours after they managed to get someone to buy that one.

It used to be that Satan was working flat out to get people to believe he doesn't exist, but having done that, the next logical step is getting people to believe he's a good guy, really.

I'm all for people 'redefining' terms — Christianity has comprehensively redefined Greek metaphysics — but when someone sells you the idea that the principle which defines the ontology of all that is wrong in the world is in fact right ... without addressing the ontological origin ...

Where, where in Christian teaching is Lucifer in any sense a good guy?

Thomas

Hello Br.Thomas,
There is a distinction to be made between Satan and Lucifer. Anna Kingsford spoke of this in the nineteenth century; and you will find that modern Luciferians also make a distinction. There are two adversaries to Man with Christ in the middle as a Balance.

Now, Lucifer will be redeemed, but Satan will be cast into the Pit.
There are positive aspects to Lucifer; one is the Man should never have suffered.

Lucifer is driven by the Holy Spirit because all Life is. The Holy Spirit enlivens evility as it does the Good. No life exists without the power of the Holy Spirit. This is why Dion Fortune says that you shouldn't call on the Holy Spirit in the case of an exorcism.

The unredeemed Lucifer is Siva.

The process of redemption has begun with some Luciferic beings now being christianised. They now served the Christ.
This knowledge is part of the Grail mysteries.

Was Christ's brother a good guy?

In Christ,
Br.Bruce

[Bruce Michael]

A Promethean Christianity, will be something we see increasingly in the future. Not all Christians will be the same- they will all go on to developed talents which are all equally valid.

There is a line by Rudolf Steiner that made quite an impression on me. It claimed that the rock that Prometheus was bound to - Caucasus Rock - was one and the same with Peter the Rock. This is quite a profound statement. As the Brothers have said, Peter abhorred freedom- it is a risky business after all. There are questions here about the redeemed Lucifer as well.

There is plenty more about Peter/Petros, and its relationship to the ancient mysteries in HPB's Isis unveiled- you can look it up online. She calls it the "final mystery"- probably the secret of matter itself.
(Petrus & the Myth of Sisyphus)

"The spiritual powers of the fifth root race are only sufficient to control the forces of the inorganic world of minerals. Thus the Manas [thinking] of the fifth Great Epoch is bound up with the mineral forces in the same way as the man of Atlantean times was bound up with the life forces. All Promethean powers are chained to the rock, to the solid earth. For that reason, the apostle Peter is the 'rock' upon which Christ founded His Church. It is the same as the rock of the Caucasus. Man belonging to the fifth epoch has to seek his destiny on the physical plane alone. He is bound up with inorganic mineral forces."

Steiner, the Temple LegendLecture 4.


Br.Bruce

[Bruce Michael]

Christ stands in the middle of the two polar extremes- of Lucifer (the spiritual all too spiritual, denying the earthly, and wishing to forgo earthly development) and Ahriman/Satan (the earthly all too earthly denying the spiritual). To put it another way, Lucifer is the unripe, Ahriman the rotten. The imaginative picture at Golgotha of Christ between the two thieves is a symbol of this- one of these thieves is redeemed. This part of Steiner's teaching.

According to Steiner, at the time of the temptation of Christ, the same luciferic angels which tempted Him are the same who console Him.

However, we still have to deal with unredeemed Lucifer as well.

At times, the luciferic beings have been given the opportunity of redemption- one important time is the ninth century.

Lecture I: The Balance in the World and Man, Lucifer and Ahriman

"Lucifer is connected with the experience of breathing, of the in- breathing and the out-breathing. The relationship between a man's breathing and the functioning of his organism as a whole must be absolutely regular and normal. The moment the breathing process is in any way disturbed, instead of remaining the unconscious operation to which no attention need be paid, it becomes a conscious process, of which we are more or less dreamily aware. And when, to put it briefly, the breathing process becomes too forceful, when it makes greater claims on the organism than the organism can meet, then it is possible for Lucifer (not he himself but the hosts belonging to him) to enter with the breath into the organism. "

So the luciferic hosts attack man through the breathing. In fact, further on in that lecture he explains the phenomenon of a person choking in their bed at night as an attack by Lucifer.

There is much more that could be said re health and Lucifer.

Best Blessings,
Br.Bruce

[17th Angel]

are we all not christ's brother?

HITLER!! christ's brother!! *gasp* *shock* *horror*

If you got this guy called god.... and he makes everything... Every freaking thing.... you are related to all..

[intrepidlover]

Originally Posted by Thomas

Indeed not, but Satan is the objectification of that tendency, and as a psychic object, is added to each tie any individual 'feeds' or 'adds' to it.

Thomas

I would just like to refer to an incident in my own life which fits into what you have said here.

Many, many years ago I was associating loosely with some people who dabbled in magic. It was supposed to be harmless "white" magic but one day at home I felt a negative force trying to take control of my mind. Needless to say it was very scary. Yes it was very scary.

Instinctively I repeated the name "Jesus" over and over again. Eventually I felt freed of the force. I then promptly disposed of any books I had which were in any way related to magic. I figured that possessing such books might have provided a doorway for the evil force to attack me.

Having resisted the force, and tossed out the books, I have never felt threatened in any way by this force.

There is a related incident involving the first (and only and last) Moonie missionary to Sydney. She was Alexa, a young American girl. As I was well into my search for truth adventure, and she was also seeking new ideas, we used to attend various meetings together of New Age, Theosophical and so forth.

One night she stayed with me, sleeping beside me fully clothed on the double bed. I felt a strong force trying to convert me to her religion. It was definitely a psychic attack. In the morning the girl told me it was my grandfather trying to convince me of the validity of her religion.

I guess Australians are not as gullible as (some) Americans. Alexa did not get one convert in Sydney, but a fellow used to attend her meetings for personal reasons. Eventually she entered a relationship with this man and turned against religion altogether.

[Bruce Michael]

Originally Posted by intrepidlover

I then promptly disposed of any books I had which were in any way related to magic. I figured that possessing such books might have provided a doorway for the evil force to attack me.

Hi,
The 'Satan' referred to by Thomas in your post is really the elemental beings- as it is depicted in the Tarot Devil Card.

You really should be careful what books you have in your bedroom. Just as water that pools outside is inhabited by amoebae that are invisible to the naked eye, so too do books carry little invisible beings.

Blessings,
Br.Bruce