Lords Prayer

[mee]

what does the Lords prayer mean to you?

Jesus said You must pray this way ,
many who say the Lords prayer do not understand it


why did Jesus give it to us?

the Lords prayer was given by Jesus Christ in the Sermon on the Mount, and is found in the Bible at Matthew chapter 6, verses 9 through 13.

[Alex P]

Just thought I'd let you know your link be dead... May want to get that fixed.

Psalm 91 is my fave bible part to pray...

The lord prayer to me is to recognise/acknowledge who the power, the kingdom and the glory belongs to.

[Dondi]

Something I shared with my Bible Study group:

This is an example of a prayer that has been used over and over. And we are all to prone to exhibit the same kind of repetitious prayer that Jesus just warned His disciples about. Personally, I do not think this prayer was meant to be spoken verbatim, that is word for word. Jesus said, “After this manner therefore pray ye”, which is another way of saying that this is a model of what kind of things you need to pray for. People refer this prayer as the Lord’s prayer, but really it is the disciple’s prayer. (The Lord’s prayer is actually found in John 17, when He prayed fervently in the Garden of Gethsemane) We need to fully understand and appreciate all parts of the prayer:

Our Father – This recognizes the relationship we have with God. We are adopted as sons (John 1:12) and our status toward God has changed from being alienated from God to being in the family of God. “Our” tells us that we share this relationship with our fellow believers, our brothers and sisters in Christ. That we all have equal access to God by virtue of being born again into His kingdom.

Which art in Heaven – This recognizes where God dwells. That He is the Highest of the high. That we serve a mighty God. That He dwells in a place of joy and peace and contentment.

Hallowed by thy name – This reminds us that God is Holy, Perfect, and Righteous, which is why we need Him, cause by ourselves, there is just no way. His Name is above all names.

Thy Kingdom come – That God has a Kingdom, not as the world is, but a Kingdom that He will establish one day where every knee shall bow, every tongue shall confess, that Jesus Christ is Lord, whether we like it or not.

Thy will be done – This is our submission to God. That we are willing to obey His Word. That we acknowledge that His Ways are better than our ways.

On earth as it is in heaven - That Kingdom is coming soon and replace all the kingdoms of this world and establish a new heavens and new earth. A place where there is no more sorrow, no more pain, no more tears, but complete and utter joy.

But beyond this, it also incites us to prepare for His Kingdom. That we need to tell others about His kingdom. That He has given us a sample of that kingdom in our hearts right not through Christ in His Spirit, and that we can experience that peace and joy unspeakable even now as we wait for His Coming.

Give us this day our daily bread - This speaks not only of our physical nourishment and physical needs, but also our spiritual bread, which is that we gain from meditating of the Word of God and prayer, that we quench not the Spirit of God in our daily lives.

And forgive us our debts – We recognize that God is the One who forgives sins based on Christ’s sacrifice on the Cross. He is the One we have to answer to and account for in our sins.

As we forgive our debtors –Actually, this ought to be done before we turn to God for our forgiveness of sins. We need to forgive others first. Otherwise, we will come to God with a bitter and unforgiving spirit. How is God expected to clear our conscience from dead works to serve Him if we are harboring unforgiveness? Go forgive you brother or sister before coming to God. If we find it hard to do so, at least ask God for the grace to do so.

And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil – Really, God does not tempt us to evil. But we do need rely on God’s strength and God’s Spirit to resist temptation. But we need to take measures to keep ourselves from getting into a position where we are prone to temptation: watch what we read, watch what we see, watch what we hear, watch what we speak, watch what people we hang out with.

For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory forever and ever. Amen. - We were made for God and not God for us. He created us for His glory. And that kingdom, power, and glory will have no end. So get with the program. The Amen at the end mean, “Let it be so. Let it be done” You are in agreement with God in all things.

When we have these things in mind when we say this prayer, it becomes monumentally more meaning for that just a rote recitation of it. We can appreciate everything God is doing for us and at the same time know how privilege that God wants us to share in His Glory and Kingdom.

[mee]

Originally Posted by Alex P

Just thought I'd let you know your link be dead... May want to get that fixed.

Psalm 91 is my fave bible part to pray...

The lord prayer to me is to recognise/acknowledge who the power, the kingdom and the glory belongs to.

its ok there is no link its just a verse the lords prayer was just a model prayer ,it does not mean that people have to say it word for word like they do in school or church. Jesus was just showing us the way to pray what should come first in our prayers . i like the first bit

YOU must pray, then, this way:
"‘Our Father in the heavens, let your name be sanctified. Let your kingdom come. Let your will take place, as in heaven, also upon earth.

yes Gods name should be sactified Or, be held sacred be treated as holy.

and the kingdom is what it is all about . notice how Jesus put those first.

order of importance.

[Faithfulservant]

Thank you Dondi for that wonderful breakdown of the Lords prayer

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by mee

what does the Lords prayer mean to you?

Jesus said You must pray this way ,
many who say the Lords prayer do not understand it


why did Jesus give it to us?

the Lords prayer was given by Jesus Christ in the Sermon on the Mount, and is found in the Bible at Matthew chapter 6, verses 9 through 13.

Jesus said we should pray along these lines, in this fashion with this wonder in mind.

1. Our Father who art in Heaven: means acknowledge the Father and his position

2. Hallowed be thy name: means praise the Father first and foremost before each prayer/petition.

3. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven: means acknoledge that God is the absolute ruler of all the universe, all creation, what He says, goes.

4. Give us this day our daily bread: means like the birds and the animals, we get what we need from God, and we ask for no more.

5. And forgive us our trepasses: means, have mercy on us, instead of justice.

6. As we forgive those who trespass against us: means we will try to be like God in being merciful where justice is warranted, but we are subject to the withdrawl of God's mercy should we forget we have been forgiven.

7. And lead us not into temptation: some say it means "do not let us fall into temptation", or do not let us get near temptation, or do not abandon us to temptation.

8. But deliver us from evil: meaning is self evident...

What it does not say, is that Jesus is second fiddle, since only Jesus could tell us how to communicate with the Father (no human has ever been able to).

Jesus was also preparing us to communicate with Him, once he left this planet, and his protagonist would be here to carry our prayers to him, of course he also reminded us that when there were times that we couldn't even utter a coherent word on our behalf, the Holy Spirit would present our groans to him translated and precise...

OOPs Sorry Dondi...didn't see your post. Nice.

[wil]

I remember reading an interesting discussion on this in a book called "Setting a Trap for G!d" by Rocco Erico an Aramaic scholar. I see he has another one out "The ancient prayer of Jesus"

(He's one that says that the statement "Father why have you forsaken me" by Jesus on the cross, when correctly translated is an Aramiac idiom which meant at the time Daddy "this is what you saved me for" as Jesus declaring a final understanding.

Found some more aramaic info on the web.

From:

The Aramaic Prayer To Our Father

The Aramaic Prayer To Our Father
"Lord's Prayer"
This wording and pronunciation is the closest that
we know to the form which Jesus spoke.

aboon dabashmaya
Our Father in heaven,
nethkadash shamak
Holy is Thy name.
tetha malkoothak
Your Kingdom is coming,
newe tzevyanak
Your will is being done
aykan dabashmaya
on earth as it is in heaven.
af bara hav lan lakma dsoonkanan
Give us bread for our needs day by day.
yamana washbook lan
Forgive us our offenses
kavine aykana daf
as we have forgiven our offenders.
hanan shabookan lhayavine oolow talahn lanesyana
Do not let us enter into temptation.
ela fatsan men beesha
Deliver us from error.</B>
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[Quahom1]

How ironic, even in doubt he had faith...suppose that is a lesson for the rest of us eh? lol

[greymare]

The Lords Prayer, has always been a favourite