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[Dondi]

Originally Posted by Silas

Can you show me from scritpture one person who choose to serve God out of His/her own will, pior to God's grace?

"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." - Joshua 24:15

[Silas]

Love is the way to go! I wish we'd all go that way. Most go in the way of their version of what love means. Very few go the right way: Selflessness, Humilty, Kindness, Patients, Longsuffering, etc. Look to Jesus to see what Love is, for He is Love - the very meaning of the word.

[Silas]

Originally Posted by Dondi

[/i]

"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD." - Joshua 24:15

Continue reading...Which one of them chose? Keep reading, you'll see that God had to do something in order that His people will choose Him, Love Him, Fear Him, Walk in His Commandments, etc. (Ezk 36:26-27). Remember, God says throughout the Bible for us to come...Jesus cried over Jerusalem and said that He wanted them to come. Yet again, which one of them (us) choose in our freewills to come?

Thats the question. Find one scripture that says anyone came before grace.

[Dor]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

Third of all, there ain't no saints alive at this point and time. They don't become saints until and unless they are dead and did some mighty fine miracles whilst alive...

Where does that come from? Paul equated all believers as saints didnt he?

[bupanishad2007]

Originally Posted by Dor

Where does that come from? Paul equated all believers as saints didnt he?

"Q" is talking about the Catholic process of Canonization. The Christians of Bible (New Testament) times were indeed all called saints.