Kent State - Page 2

China Cat Sunflower · 03-30-2007, 02:08 AM

I'm too young to be a hippy. I remember Kent state because it happened when I was a kid, and I remember everything from when I was a kid. My gaps start later on...

I'm a little pissed at the flower children for their lack of follow through. Hell, I'm pissed at all you baby boomers anyway because by the time you croak there won't be a cent in the SS trust fund for me.

Anyway...I like a lot of hippy things. Hippy music, hippy chicks, the hippy, hippy shake...but I'm not a hippy.

I'm a folky. That's right, a commie-lefty Pete Seeger, union, blue collar, workin' stiff, Rosie the Riveter feminist sypathisizin', bleeding heart, owl huggin' folky.

Chris

InLove · 03-30-2007, 02:51 AM

Chris, I'm a cowgirl Indian--took me just about all my life to realize it, but here I are. I'm folk.

InPeace,
InLove

InLove · 03-30-2007, 03:01 AM

Pathless, I have patchouli rocks within my reach. Mama gave them to me. She wasn't a hippy--well, she would never have called herself that...but she raised me.

I only have three, so I probably won't hand them out...reminds me of why frankincense, gold, and myrhh are so meaningful and rare.

Mom made infusions of herbs 15-20 years ago that are still clear and fragrant. I have them in bottles. She did this in a coffee pot. Old Arkies...go figure.

InPeace,
InLove

wil · 03-30-2007, 05:01 AM

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Hell, I'm pissed at all you baby boomers anyway because by the time you croak there won't be a cent in the SS trust fund for me.

This has been claimed for the past 30 years...yet they still haven't fixed the loophole which is quite easy. Social Security should not kick in for able bodied working folks till 7 years after the age of their current life expectancy.. That was what it was when it started. If they would have kept the moving the lines as we kept growing older folks would realize it is not a retirement fund...but a fund for people who lived beyond their years and were incapable of making a living any longer....not a retirement program or a retirement subsidy.

Oh, and their ain't no SS trust fund...no lock box...never has been, your money goes into and will come out of the general fund. (oh and once folks realize it doesn't matter how much you pay in....they only calculate from your last 15 years of earnings...once that is realized everyone will wait till they are 55 before they start to pay in!!!) oops did I spoil the ending?

Pathless · 03-30-2007, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by InLove

Pathless, I have patchouli rocks within my reach. Mama gave them to me. She wasn't a hippy--well, she would never have called herself that...but she raised me.

I only have three, so I probably won't hand them out...reminds me of why frankincense, gold, and myrhh are so meaningful and rare.

Mom made infusions of herbs 15-20 years ago that are still clear and fragrant. I have them in bottles. She did this in a coffee pot. Old Arkies...go figure.

InPeace,
InLove

Nice! I thought patchouli came form a plant--what's this about rocks? I'm intrigued. And those herbal infusions sound wonderful. Coffee pot, eh? Even better.

Pathless · 03-30-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

I'm a little pissed at the flower children for their lack of follow through.

Hey, that's all right though. The lated '60s were like a dress rehearsal for what is about to explode onto the scene. Take the peace, love, and psychedelics of hippies, blend with the do-it-yourself and strangle-the-system ethics of punk, shake with old-school rap, synthesize with keyboards and progressive techno beats, bake for twenty minutes (for twenty=4:20, get it, get it???) , let cool under a rainbow sun, top with hip-hop you don't stop, and pass around the world 'til you get One Love. Or something to that effect.

It's good that you're pissed off. I'm pissed off too, not so much at the "flower children" though. I appreciate them as goofy, wise aunts and uncles. I think we all need a healthy scoop of pissed off to give our peace and love a shot in the ass. It would be neat if fascism could be defeated with flowers, but I think we need to take a lesson or two from Malcolm X, the American Indian Movement, and Jello Biafra (why the hell not) to really get the party started.

Peace,
Pathless

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Originally Posted by China Cat

I'm a folky. That's right, a commie-lefty Pete Seeger, union, blue collar, workin' stiff, Rosie the Riveter feminist sypathisizin', bleeding heart, owl huggin' folky.

You hug owls? Man, I'm happy if I can just spot an owl. What's your secret?

InLove · 03-30-2007, 01:58 PM

How to Spot an Owl

You will need:

1 owl
some spots
much wisdom

Pathless: I don't know how it is done, but the patchouli "rocks" aren't real rocks. They are made from the plant. They are brownish, and when they were new, they sparkled a bit. They came in a tiny round carved wood container. Don't know how long I have had them, but the aromatic element has lasted over the years.

Re: the Social Security "crisis". I wish I understood it better, but I do know that I didn't do it. I didn't get us in this health care mess, either. There were some decent ideas going around about it a few years back, but this country made compromises that didn't fix things--maybe only made them worse.

And I'm a young baby boomer, and I've been disturbed by the lack of follow-through myself. I wrote about it once--"Children of the Renaissance, where have you gone?". I remember how disappointed I was when I found out that a lot of that "hippy" and "flower child" stuff was just an excuse to party. But I have come to know that a whole great big bunch of it was sincere.

But I just really started this thread because I want the children to understand that the guns really are loaded.

InPeace,
InLove

Pathless · 05-09-2007, 10:41 AM

This may belong more in the "conspiracy theory" thread, but no--it's about Kent State, so it goes here for your consideration. From infowars: "Media Glosses Over New Kent State Smoking Gun."

Evidence newly released this week goes a long way to providing that truth yet as per usual the mainstream media has either received shut up orders or decided it is not worth analysing because it points directly toward a government conspiracy and subsequent cover up.

After 37 years of official denial and whitewashing, an audio tape, that has been in the possession of the FBI, has finally been made public via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. The tape proves definitively that there was a direct military order leading to the unprovoked assassination of unarmed students.

The tape was released last Tuesday by Alan Canfora who was one of nine students wounded in the 1970 shootings. He played two versions of the tape, the original and then an amplified version in which a Guard officer issues the command, "Right here! Get Set! Point! Fire!"

wil · 05-09-2007, 02:31 PM

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Evidence newly released this week goes a long way to providing that truth yet as per usual the mainstream media has either received shut up orders or decided it is not worth analysing because it points directly toward a government conspiracy and subsequent cover up.

I heard this played on the radio while driving one day and thought I heard discussion of an inquiry...you know the boys were ordered to shoot, they don't unless they are told to, and they do when they are told to, that is how they are trained.

The problem of our own troops especially National Guard troops, shooting on our own civilians cropped up before. And in this one when the order to shoot came down a problem was, not all the troops fired. Somewhere I read about a UN agreement (during coldwar) to bring Russian troops here and US troops there...us under their command, them under our command, so in cases of civil unrest the troops would obey the fire order and not feel a loyalty to the citizenry they were firing upon

Pathless · 05-09-2007, 06:36 PM

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Somewhere I read about a UN agreement (during coldwar) to bring Russian troops here and US troops there...us under their command, them under our command, so in cases of civil unrest the troops would obey the fire order and not feel a loyalty to the citizenry they were firing upon

Scary indeed!

And then in a very related turn of events, there's this scary bit of under-reported news I glanced at last night. Gives me the Heebeeeee-Jeebees man, HeebeeeeeeeeeeeJeebees.

Police Are Using Armored Vehicles

RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI
AP

Tuesday May 08, 2007

PITTSBURGH -- After six people were shot in the city's Homewood neighborhood in less than 24 hours, Pittsburgh police rolled in with a 20-ton armored truck with a blast-resistant body, armored rotating roof hatch and gunports.

No guns or drugs were seized and no arrests made during the sweep in the $250,000 armored vehicle, paid for with Homeland Security money. But the show of force sent a message.

Whether it was the right message is a matter of debate.

With scores of police agencies large and small, from Lexington, Ky., to Austin, Texas, buying armored vehicles at Homeland Security expense, some criminal justice experts warn that their use in fighting everyday crime could do more harm than good and represents a post-9/11, militaristic turn away from the more cooperative community-policing approach promoted in the 1990s.

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