Karmic Debt/Forgiveness ?

[Sacredstar]

Dear All

This passage about settling one's accounts screams karma to me what do you think?

Matthew 18:21-35 NIV

The Parable of the Unmerciful Servant

21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, “Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus answered, “I tell you, not seven times, but seventyseven times.
(this is also in the GT)

23 “Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants.

24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him.

25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.

26 “The servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’

27 The servant's master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.

28 “But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him and began to choke him. ‘Pay back what you owe me!’ he demanded.

29 “His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, ‘Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.’

30 “But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt.

31 When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened.

32 “Then the master called the servant in. ‘You wicked servant,’ he said, ‘I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to.

33 Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?’

34 In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.

35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother from your heart.”

being love


kim xx

[Basstian]

Kar-ma

1. Hinduism & Buddhism The total effect of a person's actions and conduct during the successive phases of the person's existence, regarded as determining the person's destiny.
2. Fate; destiny.
3. Informal A distinctive aura, atmosphere, or feeling: There's bad karma around the house today.

I can see where if you are Hindu you might see "karma" in certian scriptures

I cant see Karma. I see good sound Biblical teaching to forgive as your Father in heaven forgives.

The same type of teaching that has lead many born into hinduism to Christ and teachings of the Bible thus denouncing karma, Hinduism and the teachings surrounding that religion.

Isn't Jesus wonderful

[Sacredstar]

But settling debts is about Karmic debts Basstian

Just like financial debt is negative energy hence why in the bible we ask GOD to forgive us our debts, we are asking him to forgive our negativity/karma. The 30/50/100 fold is another example of that in the positive.

but GOD doesn't mind what we call it.

So all is cool and peace

Where there is a will he always finds a way.

I can just imagine him saying OK they can't get their heads around karma so Jesus we will have to teach them parables instead. The Milk and the Meat shows itself once more 'we reap what we sow' 'cause and effect' which is also karma.

Karma actually means 'action'

being love


Love Kim xx

[Quahom1]

I see parallelisms to karma and "Living in the Faith", however though the external looks similar (what the world might see), the intent seems different.

Forgiving as the Father Forgives, would be an action intended to please the Father.

Karma, it seems has to do with self, for self's sake.

Anyway, the term "karma" is not part of normal Christian vocabulary, at least not in the spiritual sense.

v/r

Q

[Sacredstar]

Horses for courses!

Well only if one sees one self separate from GOD.

If we see ourselves as interweaved in group consciousness with all creation e.g. the field does it not throw a different light upon it Q?

being love

kim xx

[Quahom1]

But I am separated from God, Sacred. That is why I am here...

One day, I will not be separated from God...

That is what Jesus promised, if I accepted his invitation.

Everything else is a lesson to learn, not karma.

v/r

Q

[Sacredstar]

ha ha well AM says we are not here to learn lessons but to have experiences, he describes planet earth as the best Academy in all the Universes. He gave the analogy of the difference between children at school learning lessons and graduates at UNI.

Attending the lectures as a mature student and writing one's own thesis.

I guess one could call that free will.

Blessings in abundance

Kim xx

[Quahom1]

Well, I stand by my last statement.


v/r
q

[Basstian]

me too

[Sacredstar]

Of course free will!

night night

kim xx

[Basstian]

Free will has always gotten me into trouble. The prodigal son showed free will.
Nope not for me. Not my will /not free will/ but Gods will only for me thanks.

Sacred I just want to say that you wont find any biblcal references to mingling doctrines from other faiths in with Christianity. Grant it it has been done but no bible reference for it.
You will find many "dont do as they do", "flee froms", and "come out of hers". But NO "hey check them all out and be like em."
In its truest form Christianity is a very loving forgiving and welcoming religion but requires change and growth towards God through sound doctrine based on His word.
Repent is one of the very first steps. Asking one to turn from the ways of their past never to look back.

There are so many things to learn from the Hindu in a cultural light and I have a deep respect for their religion. But the fact is I would wish they find Jesus and come to understand the gospel turning away from their faith and ways they have now To a faith in Jesus and Him cruicified this I know is the Way to salvation.

Is that bad Karma???? hehehehe

[Quahom1]

"not my will...but thy will be done." (Jesus)

[Paladin]

Sacredstar,


Thank you for your expansive spirit of inquiry, it is truly inspiring to me to know that there are still those who take refuge in God's presence NOW.
Yes, I see many things in that particular scripture aside from a legalistic interpretation have you considered also that in order for us to be able to receive forgiveness, we must allow it for our brother as well. Notice that persons who tend to harbor grudges tend to feel victimized and are often fearful? I think that the minute we begin to let others off the hook we free ourselves as well. As for the idea of karma? Well it is more complicated than a cursory examination of other cultures may reveal. I know that the Dalai Lama once spent six hours teaching about it, and its many levels. Regardless of the semantics and linquistic implications the ideas behind Karma are philosophically sound. I think the problem is one of "level Confusion" more than just a semantical difference.

Peace

[Basstian]

Psalms 62:5-8
My soul, wait thou only upon God; for my expectation is from Him.He only is my rock and my salvation: He is my defence; I shall not be moved. In God is my salvation and my glory: the rock of my strength, and my refuge, is in God.Trust in Him at all times; ye people, pour out your heart before Him: God is a refuge for us. Selah.

Its not a legal issue. Its a safety one. We are safe In God.
All this dabbling in other religions and spirits well its just not safe.

[Sacredstar]

Dear Paladin

Thank you for sharing yes I totally agree with all that you have said.

Also sometimes it is just a matter of terms used, beliefs, emphasis and definitions in those terms. In the panoramic view I view divine truth at the very core of all religions. In the true and beautiful essence of the different trees amongst their ethical roots there really isn't much to separate the same inspired word of GOD.

Dear Q

"not my will...but thy will be done"

And so it is GOD is promoting ways for us to build the bridges of peace so that we can be one people, one planet, one heart with GOD, all meeting in the middle on the bridge, for the Grace of GOD go high. But at the same time allowing all to honour their own cultures, religions, history and race but this being secondary because GOD is number ONE with the former being much more important then the latter.

Just like when the Berlin wall came down so will all other walls of separation, brick by brick and what joy that will be like a twinkling of the eye all united in the love of GOD. I have never cried with so much joy, danced with such vigour, sung songs of praise to GOD or been so deeply moved by anything viewed on TV until I witnessed the happiness of the people in that moment of freedom when the wall came down.

In my wildest dreams I never thought I would witness that wall come down in my life time, but yet it was probably one the most positive signals of hope for the people that humanity as witnessed for millennia.

People united for a common and higher purpose of no separation.

Love beyond measure

kim xx