JW's, Sccientologists, Moonies.. when does a cult become a religion?

[greymare]

I disagree.

[mee]

Originally Posted by greymare

I disagree.

not everyone agrees with the truth of the bible , but many from all nations are being gathered in unity to go along with Gods purpose for the earth . REVELATION 7;9-10


and i am one of them



it is the way to go if we want to be inline with the God of the bible .


(Revelation 7:17) because the Lamb, who is in the midst of the throne, will shepherd them, and will guide them to fountains of waters of life. And God will wipe out every tear from their eyes.”

(Revelation 22:17) And the spirit and the bride keep on saying: “Come!” And let anyone hearing say: “Come!” And let anyone thirsting come; let anyone that wishes take life’s water free.



responding in the right way to Jesus invitation will lead to everlasting life in a paradise earth.

(Matthew 25:32) And all the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate people one from another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.



Sheep are willing to follow Jesus and to be taught by him , but Goats are rebellious and like to do it their way .


(Matthew 13:49) That is how it will be in the conclusion of the system of things: the angels will go out and separate the wicked from among the righteous


i do not want to be classed as a wicked one ,by being in opposition to Jehovah and his son Jesus christ .

so i am willing to be led by Jesus , he is our leader.


and then hopefully i can be one of the meek ones spoken of in PSALM 37;11


But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth,
And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.PSALM 37;11

(Matthew 5:5) “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.

The righteous themselves will possess the earth,
And they will reside forever upon it.PSALM 37;29


ITS GOOD

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

for those with the eye of understanding , and for those who see clearly ,he is the best ruler ,and he is doing a grand job . and its all one step at a time . putting people on notice about the GOODNEWS of the kingdom , and helping people to respond to the goodnews , is running along nicely

lol, you tripping out on the arrogance of "your" sight mate. You see what we cannot of course....lmao. And yeh what a bloody amazing job "it" is doing. The fact is if this god of your exists for real then it is a sick sadist to allow such endless suffering. Does "it" step in and save the innocent child that dies every 3 seconds from poverty? Does "it" step in and defuse a carbomb planted outside a school? No and no to a million more examples of unfair cruel and unnecessary suffering that happens every day round our planet. What you have is a delusion you try to push like a heroin dealer that has no basis in reality and was created for profit and profit alone. You enjoy your narcotic of choice... you stay "on High" dude. Happy end of the world.

Tao

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

lol, you tripping out on the arrogance of "your" sight mate. You see what we cannot of course....lmao. And yeh what a bloody amazing job "it" is doing. The fact is if this god of your exists for real then it is a sick sadist to allow such endless suffering. Does "it" step in and save the innocent child that dies every 3 seconds from poverty? Does "it" step in and defuse a carbomb planted outside a school? No and no to a million more examples of unfair cruel and unnecessary suffering that happens every day round our planet. What you have is a delusion you try to push like a heroin dealer that has no basis in reality and was created for profit and profit alone. You enjoy your narcotic of choice... you stay "on High" dude. Happy end of the world.

Tao

its good to know that the God of the bible has everything in hand to put an end to suffering and wickedness , and even those who have died have the resurrection hope . yes this world as it is , is in a very bad state with all of the problems that you mentioned .


and yes it does put me on a high when i learn from the bible that all of the problems that we see in this world will come to an end .



After God removes wickedness and suffering, the earth will be transformed into a paradise. Then people will be able to live forever in perfect health and happiness. God’s Word foretells: “[God] will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore.”—Revelation 21:4.




i can recommend the sort of high that i am on, to anyone and it is free . and it is very beneficial .



Why did God not destroy Adam and Eve and start over with another human pair? Because God’s universal sovereignty, that is, his right to rule, had been challenged. The question was, Who has the right to rule, and whose rule is right? By extension, Could humans do better if not ruled by God? In allowing them enough time to experiment with total freedom, God would establish once and for all whether they are better off under his rule or their own. The time allowed had to be long enough for humans to try all types of political, social, economic, and religious systems apart from God’s guidance.



and as you yourself have mentioned, starving children and carbombs is not a very good record is it?


it is no wonder that the God of LOVE is going to step into the affairs of man and put an end to the rulerships of man ,Daniel 2;44 i dont think anyone can say that man has not had enough time to try and do things right.


what a mess humans make of things without the guidance of God .



The human condition is just as the Bible foretold for our times. God’s Word identifies our era as “the last days” of this system of things when “critical times hard to deal with will be here.” And just as the Bible said, ‘wicked men and impostors have advanced from bad to worse.’—2 Timothy 3:1-5, 13.

[Tao_Equus]

Maybe just maybe if all the so called religious people and institutions put as much effort and time into actually solving the real problems we have in this world, rather than focussing on metaphysical delusions, or historical texts that have absolutely no relevance to the real world we live in, we would have no need for your gods barbaric armageddon. We live on a potential paradise here and now, yet so many seem to embrace its destruction for the belief something even better awaits. Its a lie. Death is death is death. There is no God, no salvation, no happily ever after. But we do have children, and they will want children too, and so on into the future. Your phillosophy deprives these future generations of what countless previous ones struggled to give you.. a shot at being alive. Yet you preach death as tho it were some glorious reward for abdicating your commitment to all these future generations. How "good" of you!!

Tao

[Saltmeister]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Maybe just maybe if all the so called religious people and institutions put as much effort and time into actually solving the real problems we have in this world, rather than focussing on metaphysical delusions, or historical texts that have absolutely no relevance to the real world we live in, we would have no need for your gods barbaric armageddon. We live on a potential paradise here and now, yet so many seem to embrace its destruction for the belief something even better awaits. Its a lie. Death is death is death. There is no God, no salvation, no happily ever after. Your phillosophy deprives these future generations of what countless previous ones struggled to give you.. a shot at being alive. How "good" of you!!

Maybe these religions were never meant to solve the world's problems. Perhaps it's something we just haven't figured out for now? Not sure what we are or we want to be? One person wants to be a millionaire (metaphorically, not literally), another wants to be a tennis player. Someone else wants to be a shop-keeper. Another writes magazines. Your next door neighbour is a scientist. Your cousin goes to fancy-dress parties...... Maybe we could just wear this costume (religion) for a while and see what happens.....After all life is a game isn't it? A stage with actors on it?

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Yet you preach death

Tao

I preach GOODNEWS of better things .



And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14


the end spoken of in that verse, is not the end of the planet but the end of manmade goverments that are missing the mark of perfection


the better things are that Jesus rulership will be like the following verse in ISAIAH 9;7

To the abundance of the princely rule and to PEACE there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of JUSTICE and by means of ,RIGHTEOUSNESS from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.


yes, PEACE JUSTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS.


JUST WHAT WE NEED


and rather than death in view it will be everlasting life.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. john 17;3

[mee]

Originally Posted by Saltmeister

Maybe these religions were never meant to solve the world's problems. Perhaps it's something we just haven't figured out for now?

only Gods kingdom will solve the problems , Daniel 2;44


and most have not figured that out yet .




I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step. JEREMIAH 10;23

[Tao_Equus]

Thanks Salty, i do get your point and respect it as you intended. But JW's, scientologists, moonies and even Krishna's are not selling truth any more than republicans, democrats, liberals or the SNP (scottish national party....the party who runs scotland atm). Power corrupts...absolute power corrupts absolutely...descartes? I cant remember.
But... tho you have chosen to give me a well framed answer...the statement remains true.... religion still only adds to the worlds woes...and the rise of armagedon based ideologies is a serious threat to global security. Imagine Bush or Putin caught on such a trip!!
And for every individual self-seeking his own glorious cardboard salvation here and now, well his/her effort in time and $ could very well save the lives of several children. Multiply that across the nations and you could make a serious dent on the aspects of life today that make me feel ashamed to be human. Yet those that have the arrogance to "know gods intent" would judge me, meanwhile sitting on their pile contributing to global suffering... well...makes me bleedin sick it does.
I am not a cardboard guy, I get out there and scream for justice, both locally and internationally. Been on TV 7 times in past 3 weeks, in national papers more, standing up for those ideas that will truly give us the sustainable paradise that is all around us...if only we would care to look. And my take is you guys, amidst the modern infection of bull**** called being PC, dont stomp down hard enough on all this end of the world crap...for crap is what it is.
A few weeks ago in Princess street (Edinburgh's main street) I stood for 3 hrs and shouted down the scientologists offering their "free stress tests",.... why?
Well not because I get a kick out of annoying all the pretty girls n boys they already have brainwashed by the cheap trickery of dianetics. No, but because no-one else was. That makes me mad. That every day bull**** that is so clearly bull**** goes unchallenged.
Look at discovery channel. We live in a most amazing and beautiful paradise despite our best, mostly ignorant, efforts to destroy it. That is the real, tangible, concrete reality... you think any deity would go to such "peripheral" effort just to amuse the damned? I think not. Anthropocentric Armageddon cults need stomped on and stomped on hard. they represent, in our modern era, a threat that we cannot afford to ignore. If we allow their proliferation....sometime one will get their vain-glorious finger on the button that will not bring salvation, nor the end of life on this wondrous orb, but the end of human progress. I have children, and just as so many generations have contributed to my paltry existence i want to truly contribute toward theirs. The doom-mongers who are nowt but the tools of corporate insustainability/greed need to be shot down in flames at every juncture if we are to affect the changes we most definitely need to make if we are to assure the survival of our children for real.

Merry Crucifixion's!!


Tao

[Tao_Equus]

Originally Posted by mee

I preach GOODNEWS of better things .



And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14


the end spoken of in that verse, is not the end of the planet but the end of manmade goverments that are missing the mark of perfection


the better things are that Jesus rulership will be like the following verse in ISAIAH 9;7

To the abundance of the princely rule and to PEACE there will be no end, upon the throne of David and upon his kingdom in order to establish it firmly and to sustain it by means of JUSTICE and by means of ,RIGHTEOUSNESS from now on and to time indefinite. The very zeal of Jehovah of armies will do this.


yes, PEACE JUSTICE RIGHTEOUSNESS.


JUST WHAT WE NEED


and rather than death in view it will be everlasting life.

This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ. john 17;3

Ok you keep makin your ...erm.....quotes.
You wanna know what i think you never got from those that gave you your affliction?...hte truth...well heres an armageddon setting for you...can you endure it? I think not.

YouTube - Henry Rollins


Tao

[greymare]

mee.... do you have your own opinion or is going to be one big quote. just tell me in real peoples terms your opinion NOT a quote. oh and merry xmas.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by greymare

mee.... do you have your own opinion or is going to be one big quote. just tell me in real peoples terms your opinion NOT a quote. oh and merry xmas.

I think it is either a FEAR of making a mistake... (Which is, ironic, as the whole teaching he is taught could be a mistake.) Or just I dunno, either way I don't think we will ever stop him copying and pasting lol.... Oh and Grey... Your boys looking like a bunch of fine gentlemen there!

[mee]

Originally Posted by Tao_Equus

Ok you keep makin your ...erm.....quotes.
You wanna know what i think you never got from those that gave you your affliction?...hte truth...well heres an armageddon setting for you...can you endure it? I think not.

YouTube - Henry Rollins


Tao

shall we see what the bible says , as i feel it is always best to go to what the bible has to say , as it is more truthful .

Jesus showed clearly that endurance would be required of God’s people in our day. In foretelling the sign of “the conclusion of the system of things,” he said: “He that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved.” Endure while doing what? Jesus’ very next words answer: “And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations.” (Matthew 24:3, 13, 14)



But he that has endured to the end is the one that will be saved. matthew 24;13


yes endurance is needed .

because there is great opposition to the GOODNEWS

[mee]

[quote=17th Angel;132593]I think it is either a FEAR of making a mistake... /quote]


sticking to the bible is the best way because then i dont put over my own thoughts , but stick to bible teachings , and its verrrry gooooood



but many are in opposition to what the bible teaches , so i like to put it to the fore .


And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44


its all happening

[mee]

Originally Posted by greymare

mee.... do you have your own opinion or is going to be one big quote. just tell me in real peoples terms your opinion NOT a quote. oh and merry xmas.

when it comes to the truth , i always stick to Gods word ...THE BIBLE and it is very good .

But whose thoughts are right? Whose contain the highest wisdom? Whose words will prove to be true? Whose promises will be fulfilled?

All Scripture is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching, for reproving, for setting things straight, for disciplining in righteousness, that the man of God may be fully competent, completely equipped for every good work.


2 timothy 3;16-17