Just out of Curiosity!!!!

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Dor

Well to me when you start taking Christ out of it then it ceases to belong under Christianity...and its not the JWs, the mystics like Path of one, LDS, etc even Catholics(I had to Q) that ruffle my feathers its just the ones who start attacking Christ...the bible...and wanting to add all their own hogwash to it.....as I said before what would have happened if I'd posted on Judaism and said I was a Jew but Moses was a fraud and Jesus was the messiah well I'd guess BB would rip into my little rump. Open communication is great saying Spong is a christian author is like saying Im a Muslim Prophet

Hmm, this seems to support what is written at 2 Thess. 2

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Dor

Oh and in reply to Spong and Baha'i non believe in bodily resurection well dont know how you interpt the story of doubting Thomas who had to feel the wounds if there was no body!!!

Well, they (Baha'is) interpret it metaphorically and spiritually. To them it is no greater stretch than for us to believe in the Trinity. They point out that flesh and blood do not inherit the Kingdom. They point to the fact that He was not recognizable at first, and that he could materialize through doors. In fact, by their interpretation, using the good ol KJV, they say that Christ made it a very clear point that He was not God. Look, I don't agree. But I have to say that I rely upon scripture, tradition and reason in order to disagree with them.

lunamoth

[China Cat Sunflower]

Originally Posted by Faithfulservant

You completely miss my point.. We have ppl from all beliefs of Christianity post here and get along and show each other respect and love.. That is not the issue.. the issue is respect and love vs im right and your wrong. My fight is for a peaceful co-existance and healthy discourse.. Maybe my fight is a losing battle because I think its some ppls nature to conflict.. who knows.

Btw the last paragraph was pretty condescending and that kind of passive-aggressiveness is unwelcome anywhere .. not just here.

Have a nice day

Chris

[Faithfulservant]

Originally Posted by China Cat Sunflower

Have a nice day

Chris

Thank you.. I hope you do as well

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Dor

Well to me when you start taking Christ out of it then it ceases to belong under Christianity...and its not the JWs, the mystics like Path of one, LDS, etc even Catholics(I had to Q) that ruffle my feathers its just the ones who start attacking Christ...the bible...and wanting to add all their own hogwash to it.....as I said before what would have happened if Id posted on Judaism and said I was a Jew but Moses was a fraud and Jesus was the messiah well Id guess BB would rip into my little rump. Open communication is great saying Spong is a christian author is like saying Im a Muslim Prophet

i am in agreement, Dor.
so i guess this means i can be a DEVIL WORSHIPPING CHRISTIAN. remove all of the scriptures because they are lies, his blood means nothing & Jesus does not exist but we can pretend he crawled down from the cross & walked to Italy with bandages. allow me to teach you & share my views on how to become a wonderful liar for Jesus while preaching the Gospel. of course satan does not exist either so we just worship ourselves.

i am glad you started this topic but nobody is home so, you know .

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

"The Protestants emphasized such concepts as salvation by "faith alone" (not faith and good works or infused righteousness), "Scripture alone" (the Bible as the sole rule of faith, rather than the Bible plus Tradition), "the priesthood of all believers" (eschewing the special authority and power of the Roman Catholic sacramental priesthood), that all people are individually responsible for their status before God such that talk of mediation through any but Christ alone is unbiblical. Because they saw these teachings as stemming from the Bible, they encouraged publication of the Bible in the common language and universal education."

(Religious Influences for the Reformation, on wiki)

The above seem like quite a lot of changes to adapt to personal feelings and opinion, yet we decided to keep the name Christianity.

2 c,
lunamoth

hey Luna, why do you try to attach protestant & all christian beliefs to catholicsim? as if they came out of some mother church. you know i do not think that is correct. most of these demoninations & their thoughts today can be traced back to the first two centuries under a different title including gnosticism, (i do not feel like putting up the list) that is before Rome started to kill everyone that did not agree with Nicene Only & tell people there babies burn in hell if they are not baptized & add them to the roster. if you are not baptized catholic & say Hail Mary for your sins then you go to hell. the above seems like an awful lot of unbiblical changes to keep the title Christianity.
now that is real Christian tradition.

there are so many traditions that they do not even exist in the bible from Jesus...so i wonder who conjured all that up. so if you are trying to claim you are first & everyone else is second to you, that is not right. that view alone kills.
the gnostics were actually first because the whole thought pattern existed before Jesus came. & the jews were before that.

so when you speak of reform, there really was no reform at all. rather freedom from the catholics for ALL religions to come back to what there was originally - namely Jesus & the Apostles & many sects that existed long before 1600...

sometimes i feel like you harbor ill towards those who still REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY believe in the bible for all guidance.
you can have the title because i dont really want it. Gnostics have always posted here so they can have the title too & who cares? it is an interfaith board.

2 c

[seattlegal]

Originally Posted by Bandit

...of course satan does not exist either so we just worship ourselves.

This seems to fit in with 2 Thess 2:4....hmm...

[wil]

Originally Posted by Dor

This is really not to start a fight it is just a question I have been wondering....

Just how far can you change a religion to fit ones opinions and feelings before you have to change the name of it??

Yall are flyin on this one! And I guess like humor it all depends on the individual or the organization...to determine what is funny and what isn't...to determine how far the line goes...

There are those that will draw the line at bible inerrancy...100% accurate...don't question or discuss it...

For me, and we are talking Christianity, not just any religion...to me, my current line if I didn't believe in the essence of the teachings of our elder brother and wayshower...if I don't believe that I too can achieve...if I can't attempt to forgive and love my enemy...if I can't try to take the log out of my eye...than why would I consider myself a Christian?

Now is it for me to judge who is and who isn't a christian...I suppose I could decide to and be judged similarily...

If you can't see G-d in the person next to you...quit looking -Ghandi

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Bandit

sometimes i feel like you harbor ill towards those who still REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY believe in the bible for all guidance.
you can have the title because i dont really want it. Gnostics have always posted here so they can have the title too & who cares? it is an interfaith board.

2 c

Gentle Bandit, I'll refer you to my reply to Dor concerning the objective of my post. It was not an attack on Protestantism, nor on Fundamentalism, nor was it an attack on anything. It was a reflection on the changing meanings of Christianity as requested in the OP by Dor. I harbor no ill will toward you or anyone here. But, it is evident from your responses to me that you are threatened by me. And that makes me sad, and it is what I am talking about in the other thread when I say that it's difficult to converse here without offending or being accused of attacking Christian principles. I've come to expect that if I ever say anything that 1) does not reflect a literal-factual interpretation of the Bible or 2) pays reverence to Catholic or Orthodox Tradition I will get in return a post of indignation and quite possibly insults from you. Just as the above illustrates.

What can I say Bandit but I am saddened by this. I know you have respect for others, and I've always believed you have respect for me. Why don't you trust that I have respect for you, even when I might post something that you don't agree with? It is not meant to be an attack on you, or the Bible, or anything you hold dear.

I would enjoy discussing the above topic with you if we can refrain from insults and indignation. I bet we have a lot more in common than you are thinking at the moment. Thomas has started a thread on Tradition. That might be a good place to start.

Peace,
lunamoth

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by lunamoth

What can I say Bandit but I am saddened by this. I know you have respect for others, and I've always believed you have respect for me. Why don't you trust that I have respect for you, even when I might post something that you don't agree with? It is not meant to be an attack on you, or the Bible, or anything you hold dear.

I would enjoy discussing the above topic with you if we can refrain from insults and indignation. I bet we have a lot more in common than you are thinking at the moment. Thomas has started a thread on Tradition. That might be a good place to start.

Peace,
lunamoth

it is NOT an insult nor meant as one & i am not taking the guilt this time. i am not interested in the traditions of men.

i know we have a lot in common & that is what i would rather focus on. Peace to you Luna & love in Christ.
have a very nice weekend

[earl]

Originally Posted by Bandit

i think this is more like the /buddha/new age/muslim/hindu/ Christian Forum.

OK Bandit, 1 order of hindu-christianity coming up

www.bedegriffiths.com/newsletters.html

seriously, Bede Griffiths, a Cathloic monk was a remarkable man who lived and worked in India for many decades, allowing its Hindu practitioners to fertilize his imagination.

Elsewhere here in a thread I started on religious pluralism a while ago I quoted Panikkar a Catholic theologian's use of the metaphor of the Divine being filtered through human experience resulting in a "prism" effect whereby the "white light" of divine truth is refracted into an entire spectrum of divine/religious experience. there have been discussions here in recent time re the "walled garden" approach to subforums, It is a difficult balancing act. For folks that just want to discuss their "blue" religion, they don't want to hear "green," "yellow," or "red" ideas. I Brian raised a good point elsewhere re the question of when-to use my metaphor here-does "blue" so change color that it is no longer recognizable as "blue?" But as the color spectrum shades incrementally into the different hues-blue-violet, yellow-green, etc. have to ask ourselves as re whether it makes any kind of sense to attempt to make dialogues "true-blue." I'm a poor beginning landscape painter and, while monochromatic paintings-i.e., those where the picture is just variations on a single color-can be attractive, I prefer pictures whereby there is a predominating color but with complementary ones thrown in. have a good one, earl

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by earl

OK Bandit, 1 order of hindu-christianity coming up

www.bedegriffiths.com/newsletters.html

seriously, Bede Griffiths, a Cathloic monk was a remarkable man who lived and worked in India for many decades, allowing its Hindu practitioners to fertilize his imagination.

I prefer pictures whereby there is a predominating color but with complementary ones thrown in. have a good one, earl

i do not believe in all pluralism & imagination. i do not see this as a walled garden like the other forums. it is more like a 12 lane highway for every belief on the market to drive a mack truck through & come through with massive bulldozers destroying the foundation & core of my faith. i think i will stick with generic.

you have a good one too!

[Dor]

To prove my point everyone go to Bandits public profile and find the topics started by him and go read his liberel vs literal posts on other boards and see how fast he gets shot down by the other religions when he say he wants to be for example a muslim but not believe 80% of their book or pray 5 times a day...check the hindu one and the Baha whatever one it is pretty funny and surprising just how fast he is told no you cant be insert name here if you do it.....but we are supposed to let people rip the heart out of Christianity and keep the name I dont think so...........and Im not talking about any stupid man made doctrines or traditions or little differences.....Im talking about the big thing people who want to take the Bible to the trash dump and say Jesus didnt die or was just some dude well no!

[lunamoth]

Originally Posted by Dor

To prove my point everyone go to Bandits public profile and find the topics started by him and go read his liberel vs literal posts on other boards and see how fast he gets shot down by the other religions when he say he wants to be for example a muslim but not believe 80% of their book or pray 5 times a day...check the hindu one and the Baha whatever one it is pretty funny and surprising just how fast he is told no you cant be insert name here if you do it.....but we are supposed to let people rip the heart out of Christianity and keep the name I dont think so...........and Im not talking about any stupid man made doctrines or traditions or little differences.....Im talking about the big thing people who want to take the Bible to the trash dump and say Jesus didnt die or was just some dude well no!

You are quite right Dor. Those threads were a very interesting exercise and I appreciate Bandit for starting them, and for everyone who kindly answered his questions. What struck me was how the members of those religions did not start an outcry and demand Bandit be banned for posing his questions.

lunamoth

[Dor]

I have never said anything about banning anything or anyone.