Jesus: What happens now?

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

i ask because lately the book itself, though filled with amazing knowledge, has just become untrustworthy. alot of the things i have learned on this sight have alot to do with this as you may know, because the bible over the years has become corrupt or tampered with, especially the gospel and paul's letters. so i turn to the next thing available, namely praying or an attempt to communicate directly with God.

Friend you reached the first pinnacle; trust yourself. As then existence (God) can be realized as you become One with, rather than of other outside of existence.

i understand what you mean though, i think. meaning, that the only way to understand God is by becoming one so then in turn become one with Him, just like Jesus prayed to do.

You bet he did! Now this is pure Christ teachings...

i guess it isn't important about what stance you have as far as reading the bible or not, just that you understand that we must be one with God. Thanks for your reply. God bless.

I bow to your integrity.......... Peace to you and keep up the reading, maybe keep notes on the Understanding you find true and share your summary with a developing mind; a friend or even a stranger; contribute to the cause of good.

Just smile and tell anyone who asked; 'it's a light thing'........

but if you want more, open threads, ask questions; go for broke!

[LeoSalinas22]

hello bashadi,

Friend you reached the first pinnacle; trust yourself.

LOL! that is one thing i have to disagree with you there. i just don't trust anyone. especially myself. the flesh is not to be underestimated, if you know what i mean.

I bow to your integrity..........

please, nothing for me. i am but dust and ashes. bow only to God, my friend. but you already knew this.

Peace to you and keep up the reading, maybe keep notes on the Understanding you find true and share your summary with a developing mind;

that is what i was trying to get at earlier. the book only confirms what i had previously thought about a certain question i had in mind. don't get me wrong, though, the book has brought me to tears a few times already but only because i realize that i am not alone in thinking the way i do. but i do occasionally read, but the knowledge i seek is not in a book nor in a man nor in a "club" (religion). one way only and that is to God.

a friend or even a stranger; contribute to the cause of good.

i have talked to friends and they don't listen. it is not their time yet. strangers come to my apartment and talk to me, but eventually stop coming. but that's besides the point. we need to continue to do what is right. this i definately agree with.

but if you want more, open threads, ask questions; go for broke!

i have before, but i gave up. no one really listens around here. everyone is so opinionated. i know i am as well. but i love just reading other people's points of views. nothing more. but its nice to see people as yourself challenging this "system".

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

So you are now back to caring only about you!

OK. I think you totally miss my point. You also don't know what I care about, as you are not me, nor do you know me well. And you think I am rude. That's interesting (and I say this merely as an amused social scientist- it really is interesting).

These lines you represent do nothing for a child in understanding. Rebellion comes from exactly the kind of thinking you are representing.

This is what all people who Have The Answers want us to think. "Don't trust in what you really are. Don't trust in what you really experience. Learn what I say is so, and then you will be enlightened. It is too dangerous to embrace God within you... no, you need my help." Meanwhile, it strokes the ego of the person who Has All The Answers.

Yes, there are those who are limited in their current awakeness, in their consciousness. I would not choose the term "understanding," but rather awakening or awareness, as even little children and mentally handicapped people who our culture often considers "limited" in "understanding," can awaken and be aware. We can awaken people, and yet we do not need to lead them. God will lead those who awaken, and anyone truly awake knows the futility of rebellion against the Divine.

Think of the baby; them little eyes asking these very questions: then tell yourself I WILL NOT LIE TO THEM beautiful little minds seeking.

Babies already know... they were just there.

The trouble comes in the growing up...

As for lying: I don't lie. I say exactly what my experience has been. At the same time, I do not tell people that my way is the only way, and my experience the only valid one. I may question, probe, discuss... but at the end of the day, I know my experience and another knows theirs.

I figure you are doing the same. Except that you seem to think you've figured it all out and have an obligation to get others to agree with you, or else you see them as rude, selfish, or lost. It sounds a lot like evangelizers from any point of view, to be honest.

Now to be square up honest to yourself, then you answer is rude!

Can't respond to this sentence as I don't understand it.

With learning more than what our fathers knew and teach the children so they can know more than you.

It's not all about what you know, it's about what you do with what you know. That said, I have taught for years professionally. I'm heading back to the classroom next year and am excited. Good teaching isn't about imparting knowledge, it's about facilitating the capacity-building of individuals to learn, to critically think, to seek on their own. When my students question me, challenge the written material, fabricate their own ideas, then I know I've done a good job. When my students go farther and begin to act with compassion, when they let go of their fear of diversity, when they show tolerance and love, then I know I've done a great job.

Maybe you had a vision we would meet.

No desire either way; just a 'do' kind of person.

Just pointing out that you might get more of what you desire- cross-religious definitions and discussion- if you post in a cross-religious forum.

as if a question can be answered to help, then maybe more will continue the life of the truth.

Perhaps you are into answers, and I am into questions. I tend to think the more people question and probe, the more the "life of the truth" will be, as you put it.

Meaning; nothing is for me. If and when the proper words live and people begin to understand, then with that term Love, the progression will continue.

Admirable. May I gently suggest, that in doing such work, words are not necessary. Sometimes they get in the way. I come here for thinking, but I go out into the world for awakening. I acknowledge the chance of someone awakening due to a board, but overall the words get in the way. The categories get in the way. But sitting in silence, hugging another, a smile, a hello, a helping hand when needed... These things awaken Oneness and Love...

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

Friend you reached the first pinnacle; trust yourself. As then existence (God) can be realized as you become One with, rather than of other outside of existence.

You bet he did! Now this is pure Christ teachings...



I bow to your integrity.......... Peace to you and keep up the reading, maybe keep notes on the Understanding you find true and share your summary with a developing mind; a friend or even a stranger; contribute to the cause of good.

Just smile and tell anyone who asked; 'it's a light thing'........

but if you want more, open threads, ask questions; go for broke!

See, it has to be the words that get in the way. Because here, you say exactly what I often say and think...

I chuckle whenever this happens...

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

one way only and that is to God.

Do you recognize that God is in all things?

In Nature?

nothing more. but its nice to see people as yourself challenging this "system".

You sound a weeee bit like little old me; and it is because you do trust yourself while retaining the humility of being human.

You're a leader all by yourself and don't even know it!

As for taking on the globe; well the system is not so much the goal to challenge but that knowledge is there and all that is left to do, is reveal it!

And please allow me to build you up; it is refreshing to bump into the real ones.

[Bishadi]

Originally Posted by path_of_one

See, it has to be the words that get in the way. Because here, you say exactly what I often say and think...

I chuckle whenever this happens...

I hear you barking P of One.... When you state your dreams and what happened then maybe we can also observe this was intended to occur!

Please doubt:

A rule that stands firm to the wise; believe nothing no matter where you read it or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense.

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by Bishadi

A rule that stands firm to the wise; believe nothing no matter where you read it or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and common sense.

And dare I say, intuition. Sometimes our intuitive reaction is more reliable than our reasonable one... I suppose, a different type of reason is at work!

[LeoSalinas22]

hello bishadi (i spelled your name wrong previously. sorry about that)

Do you recognize that God is in all things?

well, He does fill the heavens and the earth? so yes. He is in all His creation.

In Nature?

in nature as well. but alot of people will mistake that He is nature. just like people will mistake that He is Jesus. God's Spirit is merely in His creation. i can see where people will get confused, but there is a difference. to me anyways.

As for taking on the globe; well the system is not so much the goal to challenge but that knowledge is there and all that is left to do, is reveal it!

alot of people will see you as challenging the system instead of revealing the truth. that is why i said it that way. sorry for the confusion. but i have in my former days, tried doing as you do, and people don't listen. they don't see it because it isn't there time yet. best thing to do is shephard the flock if you know what i mean. the flock itself won't understand what you are trying to say to them, but they will understand that you love them and are trying to guide them the best way that God has taught you.

And please allow me to build you up; it is refreshing to bump into the real ones.

i appreciate it. maybe one day we will praise God together in person, along with our brothers and sisters as we raise our hands towards the heavens and finally as one, cry for God and ask for His forgiveness. i have to say though, you are a smart one as far as math is concerned. you are blessed with that knowledge. i have come to learn that each person has a gift that God has bestowed on them to use to gather His flock from the four corners of the earth that He has scattered. and this gift you have is unique. God's ways never cease to amaze me. everything is precise with Him. perfect. hope to hear from you soon. God be with you.

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

well, He does fill the heavens and the earth? so yes. He is in all His creation.

So there isn't one path?

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

hello bishadi (i spelled your name wrong previously. sorry about that)
well, He does fill the heavens and the earth? so yes. He is in all His creation.
in nature as well. but alot of people will mistake that He is nature. just like people will mistake that He is Jesus.

Tottally different.... (in regards to the jesus quote... But yeah I believe he isn't jesus either...)

How does nature live? It grows and reproduces.... I will be in my offspring.... As the Creator is in nature, it created all... Without it there would be nothing... So I would say no, the Creator IS nature.... Without it there is nothing....

Example.... Let's think.....

"God is love" so the scripture says in John... somewhere.... It is what it wills....

[LeoSalinas22]

hello alex.

So there isn't one path?

no. there are many paths to Him. we have all been placed on different kinds of earth. some have been placed among thorns, some on a rocky places, and some others on good soil. many ways to get to Him. but each person is tested differently.

How does nature live?

with God's Spirit. just like we do. otherwise, we would revert to dust. His Spirit is flowing through anything that has life.

It grows and reproduces.... I will be in my offspring.... As the Creator is in nature, it created all... Without it there would be nothing... So I would say no, the Creator IS nature.... Without it there is nothing....

ok, let me ask you this then. if God is nature, then it would be ok to worship nature? do you think that would be the correct thing to do?

[path_of_one]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

if God is nature, then it would be ok to worship nature? do you think that would be the correct thing to do?

I know I'm not Alex, but I found the question interesting. I'd say worshipping nature would be one of the many paths back to Him/Her/It/They- God. Correctness and expedience are perhaps two different questions. Correctness still implies that there is one or more paths that are the ones that lead to God, and the others do not. I think there is only one path to God, and that is through having the right intent. But that intent can be manifested in a plethora of ways.

I am thinking of when Christ was delivering the teaching about how if we ask for bread, the Father will not give us a stone- that we only need ask, seek, knock and the doors will be opened. But there are many ways to ask, seek, and knock...

[Alex P]

Originally Posted by LeoSalinas22

let me ask you this then. if God is nature, then it would be ok to worship nature? do you think that would be the correct thing to do?

Hi

No idea, not that hot on worshipping anything... Do you worship love? Or do you admire it and praise it and try to nurture it? To do the same for nature, isn't that a good thing and helps to look after that which the Creator has created. (reduction of polution, reduction of destruction of forest, protection of indangered species, isn't this the law god gave to man from the start?)

Path nice post... And that also ties up with Leo's "god is in everything" So what of pagan religions? That is of Earth, and that is practiced by that which your god created...

[mee]

[quote=path_of_one;150064] I'd say worshipping nature would be one of the many paths back to Him/quote]




"You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created." revelation 4;11


how about the one who created things in the first place , the honor and glory should go to the creator , not the creation

Jehovah God is the Creator of life. (Psalm 36:9)

should we not be giving glory and rendering sacred service to the creator rather than the creation ." (Romans 1:21-23, 25)

[LeoSalinas22]

mee, what makes you think that alex and path don't know this? they know that God created heaven and earth. you are not saying anything new to them. you are only judging them which pushes them further away from even listening to what you have to say. if you are going to judge, judge like God Himself, with love, wisdom, and patience. don't get me wrong, i agree with what the verses say, but your methods are too self rightious. i pray to God that you don't talk to people like this in real life. but we've talked about this before, but you still won't listen.

alex and path, i have to apologize on behalf of my friend mee here, he knows not what he does. self rightiousness can get even the best of us.

[LeoSalinas22]

hi path

I'd say worshipping nature would be one of the many paths back to Him/Her/It/They- God.

i agree that its a means to an end. but the Source is better than the creation.

I think there is only one path to God, and that is through having the right intent. But that intent can be manifested in a plethora of ways.

once again, i agree that its a means to an end, but if you help say a man from commiting suicide by means of drowning in front of his children, don't do it for the earth or the sun or trees, do it for the glory of God, foremost and second, do it because its better to love each other.

I am thinking of when Christ was delivering the teaching about how if we ask for bread, the Father will not give us a stone- that we only need ask, seek, knock and the doors will be opened. But there are many ways to ask, seek, and knock...

see this is the thought that i am trying to convey, we ask God for the things we want or need. not from His creation. thanks for your reply and God bless.