Jesus' use of spit to heal

[didymus]

Has anyone read the passages in Mark?

Mark 7: 33- 35; After he took him aside, away from the crowd, Jesus put his fingers into the man's ears. Then he spit and touched the man's tongue. He looked up to heaven and with a deep sigh said to him, "Ephphatha!" At this, the man's ears were opened, his tongue was loosened and he began to speak plainly.

Mark 8:22- 23; They came to Bethsaida, and some people brought a blind man and begged Jesus to touch him. He took the blind man by the hand and led him outside the village. When he spit on the man's eyes and put his hands on him, Jesus asked, " do you see anything?"

What are your takes on these healings? For sure anyone who used these methods nowadays would be branded as a heretic or worse, don't you agree?

Anybody familiar with the use of spittle to heal?

[didymus]

I did some brief research on the net and found that spit does have healing properties. Amazing that they knew this way back then. It appears that Jesus was not the only one to use this technique in those days.

[Bellamente]

Whats in it that can help a person to heal?

[Sacredstar]

Very interesting Didymus of course we would not be allowed to use this method today due to the mixing of bodily fluids.

But I can remember my father doing this to me when I was a child and of course parents naturally kiss children better and kissing is also healing.

Paul mentions kissing in the NIV. There was also some very interesting research done recently on the powerful effects of kissing in the healing process.

But spit sounds very Shamanic were there any other cultures mentioned in your research on spit in healing?

In the Japanese Reiki Techniques there is a method for using the fingers to heal by placing them on the tongue and in the ear.

being love

Kim xx

[didymus]

I haven't been able to pin it down but have read bits and pieces over the last year that state using spit to heal was a "pagan" practice. This wouldn't surprise me at all if Jesus used then what would today be considered pagan. I believe he probably did alot of stuuff like that that isn't found in the Bible due to t6he controversy it would cause.

Bella- to answer your question about what is in it, i'm not sure( if forgot already). I do remember they said high levels of proteins though.

[Bellamente]

Originally Posted by didymus

I haven't been able to pin it down but have read bits and pieces over the last year that state using spit to heal was a "pagan" practice. This wouldn't surprise me at all if Jesus used then what would today be considered pagan. I believe he probably did alot of stuuff like that that isn't found in the Bible due to t6he controversy it would cause.

I agree, but many practices and traditions are based on Paganism

Originally Posted by didymus

Bella- to answer your question about what is in it, i'm not sure( if forgot already). I do remember they said high levels of proteins though.

Thanks that is interesting.

[Sacredstar]

Yes he also likes to dance which was also said to be removed from the bible due to it being considered pagan and pleasurable. But yet in many ancient cultures the 'sacred dance' was a way to a mystical experience with GOD.

Stephan Hoeller as dedicated a whole chapter of his book 'Jung and the Lost Gospels' to 'The Dancing Saviour'.

I also found it interesting in another 'Lost Gospels' it mentions Jesus and colour healing which of course also originated from the Egyptian healing temples. Also a lot of the healing work he did was also in secret and alone.

blessings

kim xx

[Bellamente]

Hmmm, Jesus dancing, intresting, why not? 'Gnostic texts' show the more human side of Jesus, while the Bible shows the more divine side.

[didymus]

I think Egyptian culture had a huge influence on Jesus and the area he came from. Supposedly he lived in Egypt until he was 3 or 4 years oldand the Jews lived in Egypt for a long time before the exodus. I think it's possible Jesus returned to Egypt later in life. Just think, we don't know where he was from the age of 12 through 30 years old. That's 18 years, a huge chunk of time to be unaccounted for.

[Bellamente]

Originally Posted by didymus

I think Egyptian culture had a huge influence on Jesus and the area he came from. Supposedly he lived in Egypt until he was 3 or 4 years oldand the Jews lived in Egypt for a long time before the exodus. I think it's possible Jesus returned to Egypt later in life. Just think, we don't know where he was from the age of 12 through 30 years old. That's 18 years, a huge chunk of time to be unaccounted for.

Yes, I wonder why that wasn't recorded? That 18 years of life.....

[Bandit]

I feel it is rather foolish thinking for anyone to believe that SPIT heals the deaf, dumb and blind considering that spit does not heal blindness or a tongue that cannot talk-SPIT is around the tongue 24/7 wether it is dumb or it can speak.
I almost consider this on the lines of blaspheme for denying the power of God and interpreting that it was the spit of Jesus that heals the deaf and dumb.

These passages are not in reference to spit on an open wound to help stop bleeding or that of which a dog would do by licking a soar.
This is a typical gnostic interpretation.

[Sacredstar]

Dear Didymus yes and the Egpytians call him their own and it seems that some of what is now Israel was originally Egypt before it was taken over.
In the bible it says 'he called his son out of Egypt' and Mary and Joseph always went back to Egypt when there was trouble. What do we do when we are in trouble? Or sick? We usually go home. The Infancy Gospels also speak of Mary being brought up in the temple which I understand was natural in those days. And the original cross of course is the Sacred Golden Ankh before they cut the top of which represents the divine feminine womb of creation.

It might be worth starting a thread on this on comparative or alternative forums.

Being Love

Kim xx

[Bandit]

Sacred Golden Ankh before they cut the top of which represents the divine feminine womb of creation.

It might be worth starting a thread on this on comparative or alternative forums.

i find this talk of a divine feminine womb of creation disgusting an unbiblical.

GOD DOES NOT HAVE A WOMB. God is A spirit.

maybe you can show us all where the bible speaks of this

[Basstian]

What Do You Call Christian About This Where This Thread Has Gone.
I Am Offended To The Core That These Topics Are Being Mingled With Christianity And That Anyone Claiming Jesus As There Saviour Would Promote Such Blatent Sin. And Yes You Are Promoting It And According To The Bible Stand In Danger Of Judgement If You Do Not Repent And Turn From These Ways.

I Can Be No Clearer Than That And Am Tired Of Sugar Coating My Posts

Brian Has Done A Great Job Of Setting Up A Comparative FORUM One WHERE You Would Offend No One With This Type Thinking.

I Stay Away From That FORUM Choosing Not To Be A Part And To Not Argue Unless It Is A Thread Where My Views Would Be Helpful And Shead Light On The Issue.

These Are Not Christian Ideas And As Such Dont Belong On This Board Anymore Than They Would Belong On The Islam Board.

[Quahom1]

Good evening all.

Though I find this thread fascinating, I am of the opinion that it is beginning to drift from Didymus' original thought. I am also concerned about the distraction introducing non biblical content can potentially cause.

Therefore I ask that we keep it grounded in Christian principles that are accepted by the majority of Christondom.

Now, my response to Did is that it appears Jesus used saliva as a tool or perhaps symbology, while performing His healing functions. As noted twice in the Gospel of Mark, it is also noted in the Gospel of John (9:1 - 9:12).

Please note, Jesus also used dirt. In creating a clay (mud) and putting it on the Blind man's eyes, the symbology I perceive is that man is blind, and by washing one's face in the pool called Siloam (which means "Sent"), the blindness of man is taken away. The pool I think represents the Word of God. It is interesting to note that prior to this, Jesus is frustrated by people who can not see or hear what they are being told of God.

Have a good night all.

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