Jesus (pbuh) - failed Prophet

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Hi madeinrussia

That really seems to depend on who you speak to, many Christians tell me that without Jesus (pbuh) I cannot reach G-d and there seems to be differing views as to whether Jesus (pbuh) is G-d or a seperate entity.

Maybe explains my conversion?

Salaam

If Jesus you have met, and Jesus you reject, then that is why some state what they state, about you not meeting God on a personal level. However, I suspect you never really met Jesus...'cause He is awesome.

"Foot Prints in the Sand"

One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord.

Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand.
Sometimes there were two sets of footprints,
other times there were one set of footprints.

This bothered me because I noticed
that during the low periods of my life,
when I was suffering from
anguish, sorrow or defeat,
I could see only one set of footprints.

So I said to the Lord,
“You promised me Lord,
that if I followed you,
you would walk with me always.
But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life
there have only been one set of footprints in the sand.
Why, when I needed you most, you have not been there for me?”

The Lord replied,
“The times when you have seen only one set of footprints in the sand,
is when I carried you.”


Mary Stevenson (1936)

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

If Jesus you have met, and Jesus you reject, then that is why some state what they state, about you not meeting God on a personal level. However, I suspect you never really met Jesus...'cause He is awesome.

Isn't that the most amazing quote - I have it painted onto glass, I just love it.

I agree Q, I never connected to Jesus (pbuh), it was just the wrong path for me.

It is interesting to see the various beliefs regarding 'what' Jesus (pbuh) was/is and whether G-d can accept a good person if they do/do not get there through Jesus (pbuh).

I have a feeling that on the Day of Judgement we will all be standing open mouthed saying 'ooohhhh I see'.

Salaam

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Isn't that the most amazing quote - I have it painted onto glass, I just love it.

I agree Q, I never connected to Jesus (pbuh), it was just the wrong path for me.

It is interesting to see the various beliefs regarding 'what' Jesus (pbuh) was/is and whether G-d can accept a good person if they do/do not get there through Jesus (pbuh).

I have a feeling that on the Day of Judgement we will all be standing open mouthed saying 'ooohhhh I see'.

Salaam

I chose not to wait for the day of judgement, my friend...I embrace Jesus now...

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

It is interesting to see the various beliefs regarding 'what' Jesus (pbuh) was/is and whether G-d can accept a good person if they do/do not get there through Jesus (pbuh).

I have a feeling that on the Day of Judgement we will all be standing open mouthed saying 'ooohhhh I see'.

Salaam

The Son of God will judge the living and the dead. There is no getting to the Father without going through the Son who He has appointed over all things.

[Muslimwoman]

See what I mean?

Love the new avatar Blazn

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

See what I mean?

Love the new avatar Blazn

No, I don't...see what I mean?

[Muslimwoman]

That Christians say you can only reach G-d through Jesus (pbuh) but then different Christians appear to have differing beliefs of whether Jesus (pbuh) is the son of G-d or is in fact himself G-d. I find it very confusing.

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

That Christians say you can only reach G-d through Jesus (pbuh) but then different Christians appear to have differing beliefs of whether Jesus (pbuh) is the son of G-d or is in fact himself G-d. I find it very confusing.

typical of the educated and highly intelligent, well rounded types, with no hope...who is God?

Jesus comes along and says "I am the light, the truth and the way". And the elite replies "bunk". Some say He is a "pauper's God". Some say He is no god at all...

I say, He is Lord and savior. I say He will and does give strength, guidance, comfort, protection and hope...and I am educated, highly intelligent and a well rounded type...so are you, I suspect.

v/r

Q

[madeinrussia89]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

That Christians say you can only reach G-d through Jesus (pbuh) but then different Christians appear to have differing beliefs of whether Jesus (pbuh) is the son of G-d or is in fact himself G-d. I find it very confusing.

Okay, non-trinitarians are just going to make everything so much more confusing.

Anyone proclaiming to be Christian but saying that Jesus isn't God simply isn't Christian.

This is how it is, Jesus is God, so there is no middle man.

The father, the son, and the holy spirit, all together these are called hypostasis in Orthodoxy. This word means that the father and the son are different personas (not different people, big big difference), they still share a single ousia (or essence), it's still just God.

[Muslimwoman]

Originally Posted by madeinrussia89

The father, the son, and the holy spirit, all together these are called hypostasis in Orthodoxy. This word means that the father and the son are different personas (not different people, big big difference), they still share a single ousia (or essence), it's still just God.

Ah-ha, now here is a statement my brain can get to grips with. So do you believe that Jesus (pbuh) coming to earth was simply G-d projecting Himself or an aspect of Himself so we could see Him?

Sorry have had the discussion so many times and my brain still can't get round the Trinity, I think there is much confusion with non-Christians because it is difficult to accept that 3 are one but then you get those that say 3 are 3 but belong to one, etc - it is all just so baffling at times.

[flowperson]

Salaam MW...

No, but see... it's all SUPPOSED to be a set of mysteries that we ordinary people are not SUPPOSED to be able to fathom. Others must interpret it all for us through their roles in life. It's all about how societies have been organized to function over the centuries while being wrapped around such core beliefs. IMHO.

flow....

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by flowperson

Salaam MW...

No, but see... it's all SUPPOSED to be a set of mysteries that we ordinary people are not SUPPOSED to be able to fathom. Others must interpret it all for us through their roles in life. It's all about how societies have been organized to function over the centuries while being wrapped around such core beliefs. IMHO.

flow....

while societies change, the bible does not. and contained in it is the gospel that we are saved by the workings christ on the cross and his resurrection. salvation is more important to understand, than are the reasons that social structures allow you to remain unsaved when you are already free of them or can sidestep these barriers with the knowledge that they are there, and that can read and think for yourself. i find that when people do want to do something they can find a million reasons not to.

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

Ah-ha, now here is a statement my brain can get to grips with. So do you believe that Jesus (pbuh) coming to earth was simply G-d projecting Himself or an aspect of Himself so we could see Him?

Sorry have had the discussion so many times and my brain still can't get round the Trinity, I think there is much confusion with non-Christians because it is difficult to accept that 3 are one but then you get those that say 3 are 3 but belong to one, etc - it is all just so baffling at times.

whoever has seen the son has seen the father that sent him.

[pattimax]

Originally Posted by Muslimwoman

See what I mean?

Love the new avatar Blazn

It's a fairly interesting conversation. Did you even read what Blazn wrote? Or did you just automatically go into condescension mode?

You said:

It is interesting to see the various beliefs regarding 'what' Jesus (pbuh) was/is and whether G-d can accept a good person if they do/do not get there through Jesus (pbuh).

I have a feeling that on the Day of Judgement we will all be standing open mouthed saying 'ooohhhh I see'.

He said (along with fellow Christians):

The Son of God will judge the living and the dead. There is no getting to the Father without going through the Son who He has appointed ALL THINGS.

All pretty much covers it.

Has it ever occurred to you that some people on judgement day will be slapping their foreheads saying "This is so simple! Why, oh why didn't I get this? It was right in front of me and I didn't see?"

We don't want you to be one of the ones standing there saying "ooohhh, I see."

[flowperson]

Patti...

And still it is possible, and you must admit the possibilty of it, that you and Blazn may be the ones slapping your heads and saying what you prophesy for others.

No system of belief is infallible over time. And time will tell.

flow....