Jesus (pbuh) - failed Prophet - Page 2

pattimax · 09-19-2007, 12:09 AM

Fine. Rather knee jerk on my part. I am just tired of seeing the lord of the universe being put on the same level as mere prophets.

As for quitting smoking, whatever you try- stick with it. Cancer can be a vicious way to die.

pattimax · 09-19-2007, 12:25 AM

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171. O People of the Book!

Thanks

Wrong page, friend.

Your Welcome

Muslimwoman · 09-19-2007, 05:21 AM

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Fine. Rather knee jerk on my part. I am just tired of seeing the lord of the universe being put on the same level as mere prophets.

Hi Patti

It's ok I did expect some harsh comments. I accept that we have different beliefs as to the nature of Jesus (pbuh). I am not trying to change anyone's mind or insult anyone's beliefs. I was simply annoyed that an evangelist said Muslims believe Jesus (pbuh) to be a FAILED Prophet. I just wanted to set the record straight about what Muslims believe about Jesus (pbuh), that is all.

You may find it annoying that we refer to Jesus (pbuh) as a Prophet but we find it unthinkable that you refer to him as the lord of the universe. For Muslims there is only one Lord of the Universe and that is G-d, who has no partners, sons or equals. I accept you find our view of Jesus (pbuh) insulting to him but equally we find your view insulting to G-d, it is just different beliefs. We do not try to insult Jesus (pbuh), as I know you do not try to insult G-d.

Salaam

cyberpi · 09-19-2007, 05:32 AM

Jesus refers to himself as a prophet... in the Gospels... in the Bible.

wil · 09-19-2007, 05:56 AM

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For Muslims there is only one Lord of the Universe and that is G-d, who has no partners, sons or equals.

See there...and I see Muslims, all mankind, as children of G!d sons and daughters, made in His image...

Muslimwoman · 09-19-2007, 07:10 AM

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See there...and I see Muslims, all mankind, as children of G!d sons and daughters, made in His image...

And I see us all as servants of G-d, as is every living thing (animals, trees, Prophets, angels, demons - you name it they are servants of G-d). He is the Master of everything.

It is one of the mental changes you have to make Wil when you convert. The only way I can think to describe it is to liken it to that day when you are a teenager and your Dad says "I have given you everything in life, now it is time you learn the value of money and start earning your keep". I admit, I went through a period of harsh adjustment, I had lost my soft safe bubble of Christianity, that safe internal child that believed G-d wrapped His love around me and protected me. I now had to submit and work hard, to think about every deed, every word I spoke. I had to accept that I had to be deserving of G-d's love, mercy and compassion, not assume it by virtue of believing in Him. After a while I learnt to really enjoy being a servant, when I realised just how amazing my Master is.

cyberpi · 09-19-2007, 07:33 AM

Well, you have thrown Love (patience, mercy, compassion, etc...) in with faith as if it were the reward or payment for faithful service. As if, "He loves me because I serve him." I do NOT find that in the Qu'ran, but I do find it in parts of both Islam and Churchianity.

17th Angel · 09-19-2007, 11:29 AM

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Oh when you have time please will you PM how you managed this (I need step by step instructions, as I am such an addict).

No offense... But you are not yet ready... Trust me.... lol I know these things.

"Step by step instructions? It's easy! I've quit! About six hundred times...."

OR!
"You said your an addict? They're not addictive! I should know! I've been smoking for ten years straight!"

bananabrain · 09-19-2007, 01:17 PM

if you want to give up smoking, MW, consider this: both islam and judaism consider that you have your body on lease from G!D and you are responsible in Divine Law for unreasonable dilapidations. smoking is an abuse of the facilities Provided by our Creator. think of it the same way you (presumably) think of booze and that ought to help.

of course, i've never smoked, but i was effectively aversion-therapied when i was 7.

b'shalom

bananabrain

Dondi · 09-19-2007, 01:49 PM

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I admit, I went through a period of harsh adjustment, I had lost my soft safe bubble of Christianity, that safe internal child that believed G-d wrapped His love around me and protected me. I now had to submit and work hard, to think about every deed, every word I spoke. I had to accept that I had to be deserving of G-d's love, mercy and compassion, not assume it by virtue of believing in Him.

The concept of "The Father" in Christianity implies that we regard God as a paternal figure in our lives. As a father myself, I do not have to make an effort to love my children, nor do I expect my children to perform a certain way in orde4r to gain my love. Yes, there are times when they do wrong, disobey, or rebel against my wishes, and that is when the hammer of discipline needs to be enforced, but that doesn't me from loving my children. What it does do is drive a wedge in the relationship that is hurtful to me.

Some children make it a lifelong ambition to rebell against their parents, and by extention, against authority itself. But even in the worse cases like in the case of a deathrow inmate, a mother will often be inclined to say that her baby is a good boy. Misguided as that is, the love she has for her child is still valid, even though he is deserving of punishment.

As a father, I want the best for my children. What may seem like a harsh punishment or strict set of rules to them is only an attempt to discipline them for later life. In the here and now, they do not yet have the concept of knowing what is good for them. When they get to the age of maturity, hopefully it will dawn on them that, "Hey, my parents were right about this thing afterall." What they learned they incorporate into their lives. And they will know why I was so hard on them early in life. "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." - Proverbs 22:6

In a manner of speaking, we need to earn respect from God. We need to be obedient to God, not to earn His Love, for He loves us already, but that His Love may be manifested in our lives. He wants us to be forgiving and compasionate because He is forgiving and compassionate.

For example, if your kid comes home from school and tell your he beat up someone's elses honor student, it does no good to ask you forgiveness, does it? Because you are not going to gain his sympathy. Rather he should go to the person he offended and ask forgiveness from them first and reconcil any differences, maybe even do something for that person to make up for kicking the snot out of them. Then he can come to you and ask forgiveness, whereby you can forgive, but also teach him why he shouldn't beat up honor students and maybe get to the root problem he has with honor students.

Dondi · 09-19-2007, 01:57 PM

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Well, you have thrown Love (patience, mercy, compassion, etc...) in with faith as if it were the reward or payment for faithful service. As if, "He loves me because I serve him." I do NOT find that in the Qu'ran, but I do find it in parts of both Islam and Churchianity.

Good point, cyberpi. When we try to earn God's love, we are bound to fail. I mean, how much ddo we need to do before He say, "Ok, I love you now." It becomes performance-based, and not true love. It is like a marriage. When two people get married, they don't perform or love their spouses in order to stay married, but they perform or love their spouses because they are married. They are bound by a promise to love, honor, and obey.

17th Angel · 09-19-2007, 02:05 PM

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if you want to give up smoking, MW, consider this: both islam and judaism consider that you have your body on lease from G!D and you are responsible in Divine Law for unreasonable dilapidations. smoking is an abuse of the facilities Provided by our Creator. think of it the same way you (presumably) think of booze and that ought to help.

of course, i've never smoked, but i was effectively aversion-therapied when i was 7.

b'shalom

bananabrain

"booze" isn't as addictive as heroine however is it :\ Nicotine is.

Basstian · 09-19-2007, 05:17 PM

Typing on CR may cause Carpal Tunnel and can be avoided. Thus could be considered unreasonable dilapidations.
Guilt is never really a good motivator.
And when and if you fail it just takes all the incentive
to try again out of you.

And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three;
but the greatest of these is love

here are a few good reasons to do anything

BlaznFattyz · 09-19-2007, 05:30 PM

if this person who wrote this article, and the many muslims who continue to say "jesus is a prophet (pbuh), etc..." why not continue reading about him; the parables, the miracles, the teachings, the healings, and all the good he went about doing?

pattimax · 09-19-2007, 10:03 PM

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Jesus refers to himself as a prophet... in the Gospels... in the Bible.

The owner of a gas station can call himself a “pump jockey”, but his children feel the need to set the record straight to those who don’t know him.