Jesus is not God....part 2 - Page 22

Azure24 · 02-01-2008, 01:10 PM

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Jesus does NOT hate us, but the majority hate him.

That's what I said.

mee · 02-02-2008, 10:15 AM

While hanging upon a stake, Jesus prayed in behalf of his executioners, saying: "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." (Luke 23:34) When hate-filled men stoned the disciple Stephen to death, his final words were: "Jehovah, do not charge this sin against them." (Acts 7:60) Jesus and Stephen wanted the best even for those who hated them. There was no bitterness in their hearts. "Let us work what is good toward all," the Bible admonishes us.—Galatians 6:10.

shamsery · 02-02-2008, 11:10 AM

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"Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing." (Luke 23:34)

All the great people speak in such a way. He was a prophet and mighty messenger of Allah(swt).

mee · 02-02-2008, 11:50 AM

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All the great people speak in such a way. He was a prophet and mighty messenger of Allah(swt).

and stephen who was a follower of Jesus did the same . looking to the great teacher is the way to go .

jjanolo · 08-11-2008, 06:42 PM

I see a lot of NT testament posted in here regarding Jesus as not being God. In what I have learned, Jesus is God. God is Jesus. Jesus is within us. It is good that we read the NT testament front and back. But I also suggest reading the other gospels, not just the ones in the bible. A lot will say that it is heresy to read about the other gospels not included, but I did, and I still came down with the same conclusion, Jesus is God, God is Jesus, and He is within us.

mee · 08-11-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jjanolo

I see a lot of NT testament posted in here regarding Jesus as not being God. In what I have learned, Jesus is God. God is Jesus. Jesus is within us. It is good that we read the NT testament front and back. But I also suggest reading the other gospels, not just the ones in the bible. A lot will say that it is heresy to read about the other gospels not included, but I did, and I still came down with the same conclusion, Jesus is God, God is Jesus, and He is within us.

Jesus himself said: "The Father is greater than I am." (John 14:28)

We should believe Jesus, for he surely knew the truth about his relationship to his Father.

The apostle Paul also knew that God was superior to Jesus, and he said: "The Son [Jesus] himself will also subject himself to . . . God." (1 Corinthians 15:28)

This is further seen in Paul’s statement at 1 Corinthians 11:3: "The head of the Christ is God."

Jesus acknowledged that he had a superior God when he said to his disciples: "I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God."—John 20:17.

Alex P · 08-15-2008, 01:37 AM

If jesus was god, I am just going from thought now, as I have been over the scriptures and I am along the lines of mee on that point. but just plain ol' simple thought, why did God almighty have to send himself to save us? If he personally wished to save us, all he had to do was reach down into his endless, bottomless void of mercy and forgiveness and say sure all is forgiven.. And also on thought, I refuse to believe my god can bleed. and that my god was born of woman... No human created my god. We seem to be getting it backwards. I see from the scripture these are two different beings... But also deep down I have major issues with a man being my god.

Quahom1 · 08-15-2008, 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex P

If jesus was god, I am just going from thought now, as I have been over the scriptures and I am along the lines of mee on that point. but just plain ol' simple thought, why did God almighty have to send himself to save us? If he personally wished to save us, all he had to do was reach down into his endless, bottomless void of mercy and forgiveness and say sure all is forgiven.. And also on thought, I refuse to believe my god can bleed. and that my god was born of woman... No human created my god. We seem to be getting it backwards. I see from the scripture these are two different beings... But also deep down I have major issues with a man being my god.

You once stated God was unfathomable, Alex. Jesus fixed that by becoming man... want to get close to someone? Become like them.

mee · 08-15-2008, 10:07 AM

Jesus had a pre-human

Existence.

The person who became known as Jesus Christ did not begin life here on earth.

He himself spoke of his prehuman heavenly life. (Joh 3:13; 6:38, 62; 8:23, 42, 58)

John 1:1, 2 gives the heavenly name of the one who became Jesus, saying: "In the beginning the Word [Gr., Lo´gos] was, and the Word was with God, and the Word was a god ["was divine," AT; Mo; or "of divine being," Böhmer; Stage (both German)]. This one was in the beginning with God."

Since Jehovah is eternal and had no beginning (Ps 90:2; Re 15:3), the Word’s being with God from "the beginning" must here refer to the beginning of Jehovah’s creative works.

This is confirmed by other texts identifying Jesus as "the firstborn of all creation," "the beginning of the creation by God." (Col 1:15; Re 1:1; 3:14)

so as we can see,the Scriptures identify the Word (Jesus in his prehuman existence) as God’s first creation, his firstborn Son.

That Jehovah was truly the Father or Life-Giver to this firstborn Son and, hence, that this Son was actually a creature of God is evident from Jesus’ own statements.

He pointed to God as the Source of his life, saying, "I live because of the Father."

According to the context, this meant that his life resulted from or was caused by his Father, even as the gaining of life by dying men would result from their faith in Jesus’ ransom sacrifice.—Joh 6:56, 57.