Jesus is not God....part 2 - Page 17

mens_sana · 01-02-2008, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by pattimax

He's in there, it's right at the beginning.

Then you should be able to find the word "Jesus" there, where is it? I have checked all the versions available in Bible Gateway and Crosswalk and am unable to find it. I have even checked my Jewish Publication Society translation, figuring that the original-language-people might have some insight or version that I lacked.

mens_sana · 01-02-2008, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by mens_sana

Hi, and thanks for the welcome.

Yes, some Christian scholars consider Ha-Adam to be a type of Messiah. However, the Jews do not — and they are the ones that wrote the book, all the way from Genesis to Chronicles (Hebrew Bible order)...

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

Which can be shown to have been taken in great deal from the Zoarastrian writings of Persia...

That looks like a red herring to me. Where are those citations you claimed that show both Jesus and the Word in Genesis?

Quahom1 · 01-02-2008, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by mens_sana

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Originally Posted by mens_sana

Hi, and thanks for the welcome.

Yes, some Christian scholars consider Ha-Adam to be a type of Messiah. However, the Jews do not — and they are the ones that wrote the book, all the way from Genesis to Chronicles (Hebrew Bible order)...

That looks like a red herring to me. Where are those citations you claimed that show both Jesus and the Word in Genesis?

You got me mens. God "said"...as in "spoke" as in, expressed "word"...but that must be far too great a stretch.

mens_sana · 01-02-2008, 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Quahom1

You got me mens. God "said"...as in "spoke" as in, expressed "word"...but that must be far too great a stretch.

Nope, ambiguous terminology won't hack it either. There is a difference between "Word" and "word." You claimed that both "Jesus" and later, the "Word" could be found in Genesis. Where are these "words"?

Quahom1 · 01-02-2008, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mens_sana

Nope, ambiguous terminology won't hack it either. There is a difference between "Word" and "word." You claimed that both "Jesus" and later, the "Word" could be found in Genesis. Where are these "words"?

Works just fine for me. To have "said" is to speak a word. With John clearing things up, makes all the more sense.

There was God, there was the Holy Spirit hovering over, then God "said" (spoke the word).

Xavier Breath · 01-02-2008, 05:16 AM

By my count, there are now at least 246 angels dancing on the head of this pin...

pattimax · 01-02-2008, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mens_sana

Then you should be able to find the word "Jesus" there, where is it? I have checked all the versions available in Bible Gateway and Crosswalk and am unable to find it. I have even checked my Jewish Publication Society translation, figuring that the original-language-people might have some insight or version that I lacked.

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Genesis 1:1

Quahom1 · 01-02-2008, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Xavier Breath

By my count, there are now at least 246 angels dancing on the head of this pin...

How many in a legion? How many legions could Christ call to His aid during the temptations?

246 seems awfully small...

Xavier Breath · 01-02-2008, 06:55 AM

If Jesus were really God, he could make this pin bigger...
If Jesus is not God, then I have really wasted a lot of time! If I am to have hope, then I must believe the whole story, not just the parts of it that make sense to me. If I try to make God conform to my wisdom, then I am making God in my own image.

I believe that Jesus was 100% God, and 100% human, even though that makes no sense, because to believe otherwise means that salvation and eternal life makes no sense, and on this do I hang my hope.

If He were really God, He could have gotten Himself down off that cross...
Has anyone seen "The Last Temptation of Christ"? Probably deserves a new thread..........

Quahom1 · 01-02-2008, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Xavier Breath

If Jesus were really God, he could make this pin bigger...
If Jesus is not God, then I have really wasted a lot of time! If I am to have hope, then I must believe the whole story, not just the parts of it that make sense to me. If I try to make God conform to my wisdom, then I am making God in my own image.

I believe that Jesus was 100% God, and 100% human, even though that makes no sense, because to believe otherwise means that salvation and eternal life makes no sense, and on this do I hang my hope.

If He were really God, He could have gotten Himself down off that cross...
Has anyone seen "The Last Temptation of Christ"? Probably deserves a new thread..........

Then the head of a pin is too big, and there is room in excess for all on the surface.

Sean H. · 01-02-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahanu

. . .since most scholars agree that Titus was not written by Paul, and that he never mentioned that Christ was God, I might end up changing opinion! Scriptures can be used to support both arguments (

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Would it help to know that the Bible scriptures are not inerrant?

Ahanu · 01-02-2008, 10:06 PM

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Would it help to know that the Bible scriptures are not inerrant?

Yes. For example, Paul did not write Titus, and he does not say Jesus was God, so it is a big deal.

Matthew 23:8-10 seems to contradict Titus 2:13 and John 20:28. It also depends on who is writing.

Why do you ask? I assume you have something in mind. . .

pattimax · 01-02-2008, 11:06 PM

pattimax · 01-02-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Ahanu

Yes. For example, Paul did not write Titus, and he does not say Jesus was God, so it is a big deal.

Matthew 23:8-10 seems to contradict Titus 2:13 and John 20:28. It also depends on who is writing.

Why do you ask? I assume you have something in mind. . .

Matthew is writing about Jesus' teaching to follow Him. (pre-resurrection)

The book of Titus deals with following Jesus.
(post-resurrection)

The part you point out in John deals with the resurrection. (during

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Bruce Michael · 01-03-2008, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean H.

Care to give a quote??

I'm not sure that they do. In fact I've never heard of this before, care to give some quotes?

Dear Bruce, I've never heard of any religion (except Hinduism to a very limited degree) being associated with a Zodiac and definitely not Christianity. I'm not weighed down by dogma at all. (there is no dogma in my religion)
I think that Jesus is God made flesh too, just not literally, and indeed it was a changing point in time for humanity.

Dear Sean,
I started a new thread for you :
http://www.comparative-religion.com/...hecy-8526.html

As to relating Christ to the Sun- I have read that some early Church Fathers did do this as a means of teaching. Just like they used the clover to teach the Trinity.

This would have been very effective for many peoples- like the Druids. And the followers of Mithras- whose birthday was December 25th.
Here are the similarities:
Similarities between Mithra and Christ

I found a book on the subject:
Amazon.com: Jesus Christ, Sun of God: Ancient Cosmology and Early Christian Symbolism: Books: David Fideler

As to the Zodiac- in one of Professor Francis Yates' books their are some photos of paintings with astrological themes that are in the Vatican apartments.

Here are some more pictures:
Dr. Turi.com

Astrology was popular in the early church- the Vatican has a large collection of books in its library.

The Twelve Disciples have also been given astrological designations- we can see their gestures in th Leonardo's Last Supper.

Also the Twelve Tribes of Israel and Twelve Knights of the Round Table (Zodiac).

God Bless,
Br.Bruce