Jesus is a reigning king

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

yes Jesus was born to be a king

no, jesus was born a king. big difference. those wise men that recognized him as king have not changed from those who worship him today. your made up date has nothing to do with it

[mee]

Originally Posted by wil

So how is today's watchtower predictions that the end is at hand any different from the dozens over the past century?

the watchtower does not make predictions or prophecy , that is the bible only, the bible is a book of prophecy. the watchtower magazine keeps awake to those prophecies, think of what a litral watchtower is for, it is to look out for things . the watchtower mag keeps us up to date , so that we are not caught out , falling asleep to bible prophecy will only end in problems , the same way that if a lookout person falls asleep on a litral watchtower he will miss all of the signs. when a lookout person is alert and fully awake he will see things on the horizion well in advance . and that is always a good thing to do . that is what Jehovahs people have done over the years, they have not fallen asleep to bible prophecy, and now they are well and truely informed . and they are heralding it all over the world . and for those who heed this warning it will be to their benefit indeed. Jehovahs day is very near and the signs are all visible and clear, especially regarding Jesus kingship and his kingdom .

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

the watchtower does not make predictions or prophecy...

the fact of the matter is the watchtower has indeed made many false predictions. to say otherwise is lying.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

no, jesus was born a king. big difference. those wise men that recognized him as king have not changed from those who worship him today. your made up date has nothing to do with it

when pontius pilot asked Jesus if he was a king , what did Jesus say to him?
Jesus answered: "My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source." jesus said this because he knew that the kingdom was in heaven , and he would be king at a future time .Daniel 2;44 daniel 7;13-14

[BlaznFattyz]

jesus was already a king, it is a fact for all the angels, they already knew him as the word of god in heaven--creator of all things, yet it is a leap of faith for man. again, the wise men came and worshipped him as king and so did the angels.

Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

the fact of the matter is the watchtower has indeed made many false predictions. to say otherwise is lying.

And he went on to say: "Go, Daniel, because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of [the] end. daniel 12;9 keeping awake and staying alert has led to a clearer understanding in this time of the end , and when things are not quite in view it is not always clear enough ,but over time when things are well and truely in view it is very clear indeed . and over the years it has also refined Gods people as
(Daniel 11:35) says ,And some of those having insight will be made to stumble, in order to do a refining work because of them and to do a cleansing and to do a whitening, until the time of [the] end; because it is yet for the time appointed.
(Daniel 12:3) "And the ones having insight will shine like the brightness of the expanse; and those who are bringing the many to righteousness, like the stars to time indefinite, even forever.
(Proverbs 9:9) Give to a wise person and he will become still wiser. Impart knowledge to someone righteous and he will increase in learning.
(Isaiah 32:6) because the senseless one himself will speak mere senselessness, and his very heart will work at what is hurtful, to work at apostasy and to speak against Jehovah what is wayward, to cause the soul of the hungry one to go empty, and he causes even the thirsty one to go without drink itself................... over the years it is very clear also that the refining has sorted out those who are not after truth , but those with insight are now heralding that Jesus is now a newly enthroned king , and nothing can stop Jehovahs purpose from being made known. yes we are well and truely in the last days . and 1914 is well and truely a very significant date indeed................thrilling times indeed for those who are after truth.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

jesus was already a king, it is a fact for all the angels, they already knew him as the word of god in heaven--creator of all things, yet it is a leap of faith for man. again, the wise men came and worshipped him as king and so did the angels.

Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

yes ,and right now he is riding on his white horse in this time of the end . thrilling times indeed , move ahead
"And I saw, and, look! a white horse; and the one seated upon it had a bow; and a crown was given him, and he went forth conquering and to complete his conquest." (Revelation 6:2) yes the one on the white horse is Jesus christ and a crown was given him , and it was Jehovah the (ancient of days) that gave it to him as Daniel 7;13-14 informs us and the conquest goes on .

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

the fact of the matter is the watchtower has indeed made many false predictions. to say otherwise is lying.

"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him"

sound familiar?

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by mee

yes ,and right now he is riding on his white horse in this time of the end . thrilling times indeed...

making predictions of end times, when your religions track records is already proven false many times...this is not christianity. christians are to simply pray, worship, and watch for the coming of the lord, and rejoice in his salvation and spread the gospel, not preoccupy ourselves with false prophecies, inaccurate date setting, and following doctrines of man (watchtower) and letting it think for us, rather than reading the word of god and letting the spirit guide us in truth that jesus is coming again, but when that is, no man knows.

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him"

sound familiar?

yes ,bible prophecy always comes true . thrilling times we are living in
matthew 24;14
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come................ the goodnews that the kingdom was set up in 1914 and is now well established is being heralded all over the world , yes bible prophecy always comes true, thrilling times to be living in , and this now reigning king is the one to look to for there is no salvation in anyone else . and it is being done for a witness or to put people on notice . yes bible prophecy always comes true . the bible sure is a book of prophecy from God ................ nice

[mee]

Originally Posted by BlaznFattyz

making predictions of end times, when your religions track records is already proven false many times...this is not christianity. christians are to simply pray, worship, and watch for the coming of the lord, and rejoice in his salvation and spread the gospel, not preoccupy ourselves with false prophecies, inaccurate date setting, and following doctrines of man (watchtower) and letting it think for us, rather than reading the word of god and letting the spirit guide us in truth that jesus is coming again, but when that is, no man knows.

and those with insight will reveal understanding to the many .

(Daniel 11:33) And as regards those having insight among the people, they will impart understanding to the many. And they will certainly be made to stumble by sword and by flame, by captivity and by plundering, for [some] days.

(Matthew 13:43) At that time the righteous ones will shine as brightly as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Let him that has ears listen.

[mee]

In Revelation chapter 6 appears the account of what has been called the ride of "the four horsemen of the Apocalypse." Appearing first is the rider of "a white horse," the glorified Jesus Christ, going forth to make war against his foes. This he was authorized by God to do at the end of the Gentile Times, when Jesus’ foes in heaven and on earth should have submitted to his rule.—Psalm 2:1-12.

[InLove]

I don't usually get into these kind of discussions, but I thought it only fair to include the following here for consideration. I know there are several people here who don't like Billy Graham any more than they like the J.W. view, so I was interested in how his ideas here might go over.

Originally Posted by Billy Graham, Approaching Hoofbeats

"Who is this rider on the white horse? Is this rider on the white horse Christ, as some have suggested? For centuries, biblical scholars and commentators have argued about the identity of this rider. You will note that he is wearing a crown of victory and carrying a bow of great destruction in his hand. In Revelation 19 Christ is pictured on a white horse wearing many crowns, and this has led some to believe that the rider on the white horse here in Revelation 6 is also the Christ.

However, after careful study I do not believe this to be the case. In the Greek language the crown worn by the rider of Revelation 6 is called stephanos, which was the crown of victory worn by a conquerer. The crowns Christ wears in Revelation 19, on the other hand, are diadema, or the crowns of royalty. Furtheremore, although the rider on the white horse bears a resemblance to Christ, the appearance is actually deceptive because a deeper look reveals his true nature. He is "a conquerer bent on conquest," greedily riding roughshod over all who stand in his way in his lust for power.

Who, therefore, is the rider on the white horse? He is not Christ, but a deceiver who seeks to capture the hearts and souls of men and women. He is one who seeks to have people acknowledge him as Lord instead of the true Christ.

InPeace,
InLove

[BlaznFattyz]

Originally Posted by InLove

I don't usually get into these kind of discussions, but I thought it only fair to include the following here for consideration. I know there are several people here who don't like Billy Graham any more than they like the J.W. view, so I was interested in how his ideas here might go over.



InPeace,
InLove

and notes from dr. j. vernon mcgee

B. The Great Tribulation in the world, Chapters 6 — 18
1. Opening of the seven-sealed book, Chapters 6 — 8:1
a. Opening of the first seal, 6:1, 2
(Rider on a white horse)
b. Opening of the second seal, 6:3, 4
(Rider on a red horse)
c. Opening of the third seal, 6:5, 6
(Rider on a black horse)
d. Opening of the fourth seal, 6:7, 8
(Rider on a pale horse)
e. Opening of the fifth seal, 6:9-11
(Prayer of the martyred remnant)
f. Opening of the sixth seal, 6:12-17
(The Day of Wrath has come — beginning of the last
half of the Great Tribulation

[wil]

Originally Posted by mee

there is no change ,1914 is the start of the last days , and the date when Jesus recieved the kingship ....1914 has always been a significant date and Jehovahs people were certainly not wrong about that date... the time has come ,and NOW Jesus is a reigning king , we have been living in the time of the end since that date

Am I reading the following wrong...it appears to me they are stating Jesus took the throne in 1874 and 1914 would be the end. I read elsewhere that the Watchtower moved the end date to 1925 and then again to 1975 and when those dates came and went many moved on as the continual moving date did not sit well. Were those writing the Watchtower then wrong, or did everyone misinterpret?

"We need not here repeat the evidences that the "seventh trump" began its sounding A.D., 1840, and will continue until the end of the time of trouble, and the end of "The times of the Gentiles," A.D., 1914, and that it is the trouble of this "Great day," which is here symbolically called the voice of the Archangel when he begins the deliverance of fleshly Israel. "At that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince (Archangel) which standeth for the children of thy people and there shall be a time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation." Dan. xii. 1. Nor will we here, again present the conclusive Bible proof that our Lord came for his Bride in 1874, and has an unseen work as Reaper of the first-fruits of this Gospel Age. (Watchtower November, 1880 p. 1)