Jesus Died A Natural Death.

[InChristAlways]

quote tai: Astrologically (and astronomically), looking into the Heavens for my proof, I will cite the handiwork of The Almighty for evidence ... that this version of events is far more probable & accurate than the version found in the Christian Bible:

quote FS: Unfortunately... We've all heard this opinion before. You are not breaking new ground posting it. Will it revolutionalize our thinking? no..
Have a nice day
FS

Acts 13:33 God hath in full completed this to us their children, having raised [#450] up Jesus, as also in the second Psalm it hath been written, My Son thou art--I to-day have begotten thee.

Hi Tai. Why do you call the Bible a "Christ-ian book"? The word Christ simply means "anointed"[used for priests and kings in the OT]
It is the Book of Life for all the world and those who believe unto the Son of God sent to take away Death and Sin.

There is but one great source for the birth, death, resurrection and ascension of OC Israel's Passover "Lamb" and the world's Lord and Savior, the Holy Scriptures of the Bible.
What was the significance of John calling Jesus the "Lamb" of God? In genesis 22 God provided a "Ram" instead of a Lamb, any significance to that? In fact, Gen 22 is the first time a Lamb is ever mentioned in the sacred OT Scriptures.
Steve

Genesis 22:8 and Abraham saith, `God doth provide for Himself the "Lamb"[#07716] for a burnt-offering, my son;' and they go on both of them together.13 And Abraham lifteth up his eyes, and looketh, and lo, a ram [#0352] behind, seized in a thicket by its horns; and Abraham goeth, and taketh the ram, and causeth it to ascend for a burnt-offering instead of his son;

What struck me about this passage is the singular use of Sin instead of sins.

John 1:29 on the morrow John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, `Lo !, the Lamb of God, who is taking away the sin of the world;

Luke 2:22 And when the days of their cleansing are fulfilled according to the law of Moses, they brought Him up into Jerusalem to present Him to the Lord..............34 Then Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary His mother, "Behold, this child "setting up"[#2749]is destined for the Falling and Rising up[#386 RESURRECTION] of many in Israel, and for a SIGN[#4592] which will be spoken against[#483]35 yea and a sword shall pierce through thine own soul; that thoughts out of many hearts may be revealed.

I have no idea how the jewish religion interprets this passage or how they view the Spirit. What about the Cross and Pentecost? Any view on this?

Ezekiel 37:13 And ye have known that I [am] Jehovah, In My opening your graves, And in My bringing you up out of your graves, O My people. 14 And I have given My Spirit in you, and ye have lived, And I have caused you to rest on your land, And ye have known that I Jehovah, I have spoken, and I have done [it], An affirmation of Jehovah.'

[Faithfulservant]

I submit then, that what is usually promulgated as the part & parcel of Christian doctrine ... is tripe! And I do not apologize for stating my opinion! If you are offended, then remember - that is your choice. If you somehow regard as sacrosanct the notion of the blood sacrifice of Jesus at the hands (will) of a G-d who in the same breath you promote as a God of Love ... then I beg you to abandon this absurdity and seek Reason! Christ told you this, in Luke 11:11 & Matthew 7:9 - Even a man knows enough love to give his son a loaf, or a fish, if asked ... and not a stone, or a serpent. Why, then, do you bear in your hands, hearts & minds - this mistruth, venemous & hard, as it is? Do you fear to even contemplate another possibility? Sadly, it is so.

"Blessed are you who are persecuted for my names sake." In the spirit of Christmas.. thank you for the blessing.

[taijasi]

Most welcome, Faithful. Glad to help!

-A

[InChristAlways]

Jesus did not die a natural death. he laid down his life & they crucified him that we may have life & have it more abundantly.
Without Calvary, God would not have reconciled with man & there would have been no outpouring of the Holy Ghost to us, & it all would have gone right down the tubes.

that is in part how i see it

I find it pretty amazing that Jesus's arch-enemy, the High Priest, even predicted that Jesus should die for the Nation. Where do you think he got that "prophecy" from? After all, God did promise a savior to the jewish Nation and the rest of Israel God had "put away".
Steve

[Young LT] John 11:48 if we may let him alone thus, all will believe in him; and the Romans will come, and will take away both our place and nation.' 49 and a certain one of them, Caiaphas, being chief priest of that year, said to them, `Ye have not known anything, 50 nor reason that it is good for us that one man may die for the people, and not the whole nation perish.' 51 And this he said not of himself, but being chief priest of that year,he did prophesy that Jesus was about to be dying for the nation, 52 and not for the nation only, but that also the children of God, who have been scattered abroad, he may gather together into one.

I noticed 2 different greek words used for "pierced"

John 19:34 but one of the soldiers with a spear did pierce [#3572] his side, and immediately there came forth blood and water; enuxen <3572> (5656)

3572. nusso noos'-so apparently a primary word; to prick ("nudge"):--pierce.

John 19:37 and again another Writing saith, `They shall look to him whom they did pierce [#1574].' exekenthsan <1574> (5656)

(Young) Revelation 1:7 Lo, he doth come with the clouds, and see him shall every eye, even those who did pierce [#1574] him, and wail because of him shall all the tribes of the land. Yes! Amen! exekenthsan <1574> (5656)

[I, Brian]

Just to state that a post by taijasi was removed by request by taijasi, just in case it looks a bit disjointed towards the end of this thread so far.