Japan? WTF?!

[17th Angel]

Life isn't life in the world of law..... Cattle indeed is life... but is it endangered? No? then there is no law being broken.... Dolphins are a totally different freaking level... :| Right?

[Snoopy]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Life isn't life in the world of law..... Cattle indeed is life... but is it endangered? No? then there is no law being broken.... Dolphins are a totally different freaking level... :| Right?

In your eyes then. Didn't know we were discussing law. A cow and a dolphin are both intelligent mammals, like humans. Cows are bred for food so they're unlikely to be endangered as a species.

s.

[17th Angel]

My eyes aren't the law.... They are just influenced by the norms and values of the law.... A cow is in my beef burger, it's in my stake... It's even here in my "Cow&Gate scrummy spaghetti bolognese" I have become a customed to cow being used for food, clothing and what not.... I am not a customed to seeing dolphins circled and surrounded then hacked to **** while they are still alive lol.... That isn't a norm of my society so increased shock is created.... Quite, I'm sure....

[bob x]

A cow is a lot dumber than a human. A dolphin is not. I don't know whether that should make a difference to our moral reactions, but it does.

[wil]

Originally Posted by greymare

i know we've had the vegetarian debate.... but thereis a BIG difference in the destruction of a wild creatures existence just because we can and beef/lamb/pork/chicken production for the omnivours (?) out there. Of course, beef abbotoirs(?) are a grisly place. Seriously, if you dont want to eat meat, then dont. I do. My family are cattle graziers, my country was built on it. If animals (any kind) are being killed for meat. well, then thats survival of the fitest, Killing isnt a sport and killing for anything other than survival is not only morally wrong but shows just how stupid mankind really is.

Namaste greymare,

I track and agree with our sentiment right up till the last line.

It seems to disagree completely with all the lines above it.

We don't eat meat today for survival, no agrarian society has for thousands of years. Billions of vegetarians have proved we can live without meat. Not only that we can feed more people per acre healthier with crops than with meat. Now I'm not denying there are places in this world where meat is still part and parcel of a survival diet, but that does not include any densely populated area.

Do you see what your final line says about your family operations?

[Snoopy]

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

How a society treats animals is a measure of that societies values.

s.

[greymare]

this is again starting to be a vegetarian debate. Look, Im not going to change your mind about meat and your not going to change mine. OK?

[wil]

Originally Posted by greymare

this is again starting to be a vegetarian debate. Look, Im not going to change your mind about meat and your not going to change mine. OK?

Originally Posted by greymare

... killing for anything other than survival is not only morally wrong but shows just how stupid mankind really is.

Ok.

[17th Angel]

Sits back fiddling with his thumbs watching the tumble weeds slowly pass the dusty dorment roads......

[Neemai]

Wil - regardless of my viewpoint on vegetarianism (which I share with you) I just wanted to say that you're on good form lately in your posts. Sharp and illuminating - like sunlight.


... Neemai

[wil]

Namaste Neemai and Greymare.

Ah it takes a good ego stroking every now and then to identify where one wanders off the path.

Greymare, I must apologize for my pointed arrows, and using your words against you. I know what you meant, and you know what I meant, you offered an olive branch and I used it as a whip.

It is events like the original post, events that have been going on for centuries yet suddenly they strike a chord and make us think. Less often than before I give up my power and let my passion, my emotion take over. It is less often and not near as vigorous as the past, but amazingly the lesson is harder as the accumulated experience makes me more aware of the detriment to my path.

I thank you both for the lesson, and thank you both for calling it out, sneaky as you were, I found my way through the good cop, bad cop routine, that I'm still not sure you knew you were playing. I also thank the dolphins, and the fisherman, in hopes that many have shifted consciousness due to their sacrifice.

[17th Angel]

Originally Posted by Neemai

Wil - regardless of my viewpoint on vegetarianism (which I share with you) I just wanted to say that you're on good form lately in your posts. Sharp and illuminating - like sunlight.


... Neemai

Cancerous.... He means...

[enlightenment]

Originally Posted by 17th Angel

Life isn't life in the world of law..... Cattle indeed is life... but is it endangered? No? then there is no law being broken.... Dolphins are a totally different freaking level... :| Right?

Saw that footage a time back, and yes, it is sick mate.

Thought.....

Homo sapiens are not endangered either, perhaps we could legally start killing some of them off....

[17th Angel]

Go for it, No love loss lol... Place be freaking better if we start cutting our numbers down in great quantities... OH wait lol... Sorry we already do this, don't we..

[Muslimwoman]

One aspect of this dscussion that always interests me is what we find acceptable to kill or not. For example in the UK people kill Spring Lambs for dinner (they are just weeks old) and keep calves in crates and feed them a liquid diet until they are tender enough to kill (still as calves, not cows) but then we protest because Asian countries kill and eat cats and dogs.

Do I hear the double standard bell ringing?