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09-18-2006, 07:18 PM
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Re: Islam & Women
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Thank you for the links. I have read some of these books a while back and was actually looking for electronic versions to be able to search, or easily quote. Thank you again.
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09-18-2006, 09:44 PM
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Re: Islam & Women
Things like the veil had a very particular meaning in their original cultural setting, not the case anymore at least in the western worldview and cultural values. I was once told that nowadays a woman should wear the modesty "inside", it is a matter of attitude, not a legalistic imposition of a moral code that relies heavily on externals.
I haven't read the Koran, so I should take your word for for it terms of fairness to women (at least not drastically different from the bible). But we all hear of abuses in Islamic countries with Sharia law; with the Taleban a man would get in trouble without a long beard, women among other things were denied education, etc. So if this is not a fault of the Koran, then there are serious cultural and social issues in some islamic countries.
Think of it, did the NT ever sanction any kind of violence even if it is to 'defend' the faith, absolutely not, and yet we had the crusades.
Prohibitions/enforcements like this, in the long run engender hypocrisy and abuse from those in authority, and from those clever enough to find loopholes in the law for their own advantage. And also, prohibitions by their very nature engender strong temptations in human beings.
Would you rather live in fear from a religious police? Look what happened with the inquisition.
Human nature is human nature, lets not bring the worst of it.
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09-19-2006, 06:49 PM
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Re: Islam & Women
the veil isnt really a culture thing, just because many muslims are asian doesnt meen its justt hem who do it,arabs are african, how would africans and say pakistanis have the sam eculture,im a white english muslim and do get offended when people say or think its culture becasue i am not part if the asian culture, only muslim culture, im nt being ignorant, just thought id say!
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11-16-2006, 02:49 AM
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Re: Islam & Women
I seek refuge in Allah (The One God) from the Satan (devil) the cursed, the rejected
Assalamu Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh (May the peace, mercy and blessings of Allah be upon you)
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Things like the veil had a very particular meaning in their original cultural setting, not the case anymore at least in the western worldview and cultural values. I was once told that nowadays a woman should wear the modesty "inside", it is a matter of attitude, not a legalistic imposition of a moral code that relies heavily on externals.
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u may listen to the beautiful song: the veil. Singer Dawud ( David ) Wharnsby Ali is a Canadian revert Muslim
I m not allowed to give link here. So, pl. go to islam online's Art & culture section. When his sister also became Muslim , started weaing headscarf & faced problems, then they decided to do something about it. This song hopefully will remover ur misconception about veil.
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11-16-2006, 10:32 PM
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Re: Islam & Women
a talk my friend went to, was told taht when the prophet s.a.w will be walking into paradise a woman will rush in,and he will ask who she is, she will reply she is a mother, who raised and looked after her children,the prophet s.a.w will say lets go into heaven...not before him or after, but with him,women have a high status in islam, so high! subhanAllah
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11-17-2006, 02:54 AM
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Re: Islam & Women
Salaam;
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Originally Posted by Zaakir
a talk my friend went to, was told taht when the prophet s.a.w will be walking into paradise a woman will rush in,and he will ask who she is, she will reply she is a mother, who raised and looked after her children,the prophet s.a.w will say lets go into heaven...not before him or after, but with him,women have a high status in islam, so high! subhanAllah
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well, i did not hear about this hadith { saying of Prophet Muhammed (p) }. Here is another one. A person asked the Last Prophet (p) whom should i listen to after Allah & Rasul Allah , he answered , ur mother;
the man again asked , after that ? Last Prophet (p) again answered , ur mother . Then? Ur mother.
After repeating 3 times, then he said, ur father.
Another hadith is paradies lies at ur mom's feet
Yusuf Islam ( ex Cat Stevens ) & his young singers group sang a beautiful song on mothers. Pl. try to listen to it. The CD's name is I look, I see. Song's title i forgot now: Jannah or mother.
Last edited by Muslimah; 11-17-2006 at 02:59 AM.
Reason: typo errors
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11-17-2006, 10:38 PM
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Re: Islam & Women
thankyou, il try an have a look, you seem like ud get on with my fiancee, very in to equal rights,which i beleive in anyway,cos im from a non muslim family, our women rule the family,and this whole islam is opressive is the way some cultures are, and as usual islam gets tied up in all this
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11-20-2006, 01:53 PM
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Re: Islam & Women
the word "judeo-christian" doesn't actually mean anything in this context, or indeed really in any. judaism and christianity are quite different in their view of both interpersonal relationships and gender issues anyway, judaism being far closer to islam.
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11-23-2006, 09:50 AM
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11-29-2006, 08:24 PM
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12-05-2006, 04:21 AM
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Re: Islam & Women
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Originally Posted by Caimanson
Things like the veil had a very particular meaning in their original cultural setting, not the case anymore at least in the western worldview and cultural values. I was once told that nowadays a woman should wear the modesty "inside", it is a matter of attitude, not a legalistic imposition of a moral code that relies heavily on externals.
I haven't read the Koran, so I should take your word for for it terms of fairness to women (at least not drastically different from the bible). But we all hear of abuses in Islamic countries with Sharia law; with the Taleban a man would get in trouble without a long beard, women among other things were denied education, etc. So if this is not a fault of the Koran, then there are serious cultural and social issues in some islamic countries.
Think of it, did the NT ever sanction any kind of violence even if it is to 'defend' the faith, absolutely not, and yet we had the crusades.
Prohibitions/enforcements like this, in the long run engender hypocrisy and abuse from those in authority, and from those clever enough to find loopholes in the law for their own advantage. And also, prohibitions by their very nature engender strong temptations in human beings.
Would you rather live in fear from a religious police? Look what happened with the inquisition.
Human nature is human nature, lets not bring the worst of it.
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I'm not sure if you're 100% correct on that
3:1 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 3:2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3:3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 3:4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 3:5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 3:6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 3:7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 3:8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.
(King James Bible, Ecclesiastes)
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12-05-2006, 07:21 PM
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Re: Islam & Women
Hello Seeker,
I am strictly speaking of the the NT, where Paul talks about submitting oneself to the worldly authorities, etc.
The example of Jesus is very clear on this matter, he never fought back his oppressors, at least not in worldly terms.
As far as I am aware in the NT you are never, ever called to defend your brothers or your faith by violent or forceful means. The same goes for proselytizing and converting.
I agree the OT is another matter altogether, which is where Ecclesiastes belongs. Imo that particular passage leaves room not only for your actions but also for your external circumstances of which you have no control of, for example a time of war may mean that your country is at war and not necessarily that you personally decided to wage war against someone.
Some Christians do talk about spiritual warfare, but that is very different to conventional physical violence.
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