Islam and The Bahai Faith

[DynoMight]

Imranshaykh,

The same sorts of arguements that you are presenting can be used to claim that Muhammud's connection to prophecy is false also. Some things would be different of course but basically it would be the same arguements. This also applies to Jesus' claim to being the Messiah.

The bottom line is that The Bab carried markings of a prophet enough to create a new religion out of Islam thus reforming and redeeming Islam. This religion grew into the Baha'i Faith which is now a well established world religion. Wether you choose to believe it or not for all practical and spiritual purposes there is a prophet after Muhammud.

Did (Does) Islam need to be reformed? Of course it does. They are so divided amongst themselves that they cannot police their own ranks. The only time they are united is when they fight with the rest of the world.

The Islamic world united in sustained vocal and violent condemnation of a few cartoons. Yet when thousands of people died in the World Trade Centers you heard only a few brief whispers about how it might have been wrong and this was drowned out by boisterous celebration.

Will Islam reform itself? Yes, it will have to or the violence it beggets will bring the wrath of the rest of the world. The war in Iran is little league compared to what the world is capable of.

Right now the Baha'is of Islamic states are persecuted and discriminated against. Mind you know persons are coming to their rescue but if Islam continues to incure the wrath of the world the titanium jet fighters and unmanned drones will do the work of angels for the Baha'i and the work of demons to others.

There is a saying "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword." I think this probably extends to religion also. The religion that prosteletyze by the sword shall reform by the bullet and the bomb. When Muslim armies put people to the sword and said accept Islam and the prophet Muhammud or die people converted. It worked like a charm. The day is soon coming when the world will say reform and condemn this violence or be annihilated. I bet that works like charm too.

In short; Why waste your time on silly oneway arguments? Why not just reform now by accepting the Baha'i religion. It really could save a lot of families not to mention villages and cities

[imranshaykh]

Originally Posted by DynoMight

Imranshaykh,

The same sorts of arguements that you are presenting can be used to claim that Muhammud's connection to prophecy is false also. Some things would be different of course but basically it would be the same arguements. This also applies to Jesus' claim to being the Messiah.

The bottom line is that The Bab carried markings of a prophet enough to create a new religion out of Islam thus reforming and redeeming Islam. This religion grew into the Baha'i Faith which is now a well established world religion. Wether you choose to believe it or not for all practical and spiritual purposes there is a prophet after Muhammud.

Did (Does) Islam need to be reformed? Of course it does. They are so divided amongst themselves that they cannot police their own ranks. The only time they are united is when they fight with the rest of the world.

The Islamic world united in sustained vocal and violent condemnation of a few cartoons. Yet when thousands of people died in the World Trade Centers you heard only a few brief whispers about how it might have been wrong and this was drowned out by boisterous celebration.

Will Islam reform itself? Yes, it will have to or the violence it beggets will bring the wrath of the rest of the world. The war in Iran is little league compared to what the world is capable of.

Right now the Baha'is of Islamic states are persecuted and discriminated against. Mind you know persons are coming to their rescue but if Islam continues to incure the wrath of the world the titanium jet fighters and unmanned drones will do the work of angels for the Baha'i and the work of demons to others.

There is a saying "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword." I think this probably extends to religion also. The religion that prosteletyze by the sword shall reform by the bullet and the bomb. When Muslim armies put people to the sword and said accept Islam and the prophet Muhammud or die people converted. It worked like a charm. The day is soon coming when the world will say reform and condemn this violence or be annihilated. I bet that works like charm too.

In short; Why waste your time on silly oneway arguments? Why not just reform now by accepting the Baha'i religion. It really could save a lot of families not to mention villages and cities

I hope you are joking and this is not the argument that Bahais present when confronted with the question that please explian how the Bab became the 12th Imam.

My question has nothing to do with the state of Islam today. Nor the state of Bahaism today. I am concerned with my own death and the questioning in the grave. If the Bab is the true Mahdi, then I must accept him. But not in the manner you propose. I will do my research and to quote a Bahai principle, "do my own independent investigation of the truth." Seeking the truth requires one to put aside one's prejudices and seek answers through questioning. I am doing just that.

Once again, I hope to God that you are joking. If you dont have the answer, thats ok. But dont give me the crap about the state of Islam and how it has to change please.

Regards, as always
Imran

[BruceDLimber]

Scott,

Please post a hotlink to your new thread if you can.

Thank you! :-)

Bruce

[Popeyesays]

Imranshaykh says:
"My question has nothing to do with the state of Islam today. Nor the state of Bahaism today. I am concerned with my own death and the questioning in the grave. If the Bab is the true Mahdi, then I must accept him. But not in the manner you propose. I will do my research and to quote a Bahai principle, "do my own independent investigation of the truth." Seeking the truth requires one to put aside one's prejudices and seek answers through questioning. I am doing just that."

Watch your footing behind statements like that, the problem with bull droppings is that they're slippery when fresh.

[BruceDLimber]

And BTW, Imran, the correct term is "the Baha'i Faith."

There is no such thing as Bahaism, or even Baha'ism.

Regards,

Bruce

[Popeyesays]

Originally Posted by BruceDLimber

And BTW, Imran, the correct term is "the Baha'i Faith."

There is no such thing as Bahaism, or even Baha'ism.

Regards,

Bruce

One might as well say "Islamism" or "Christianism". Imran seems to carefully choose his slurs.

Link: http://www.comparative-religion.com/...html#post81821

In the comparative studies forum.

Regards,
Scott

[arthra]

I would suggest here that we Baha'is do not support the war in Iraq or Afganistan, etc. Politically we are neutral and are forbidden partisanship.

Our hope and prayer is that through internationalism represented say in bodies like the United Nations or the Interenational Court of Arbitration, that wars and reprisals can be reduced and in time eliminated... that the nations will also reduce their expenditures on weaponry and direct their energies to the very needed services to their own people and to provide social stability in their borders...

- Art

[imranshaykh]

Originally Posted by BruceDLimber

And BTW, Imran, the correct term is "the Baha'i Faith."

There is no such thing as Bahaism, or even Baha'ism.

Regards,

Bruce

Apologies. Henceforth I will use the term the Bahai Faith.

Regards
Imran

[imranshaykh]

Originally Posted by Popeyesays

Imranshaykh says:
"My question has nothing to do with the state of Islam today. Nor the state of Bahaism today. I am concerned with my own death and the questioning in the grave. If the Bab is the true Mahdi, then I must accept him. But not in the manner you propose. I will do my research and to quote a Bahai principle, "do my own independent investigation of the truth." Seeking the truth requires one to put aside one's prejudices and seek answers through questioning. I am doing just that."

Watch your footing behind statements like that, the problem with bull droppings is that they're slippery when fresh.

I will remember that my friend.

Regards, as always
Imran

[BruceDLimber]

Originally Posted by imranshaykh

Apologies. Henceforth I will use the term the Bahai Faith.

Thanks very much, Imran! :-)

Best,

Bruce

[arthra]

Apropos to the topic is a web site that may assist those seeking greater understanding of the relationship between Baha'i Faith and Islam:

Islam and the Baha'i Faith

[imranshaykh]

Originally Posted by arthra

Apropos to the topic is a web site that may assist those seeking greater understanding of the relationship between Baha'i Faith and Islam:

I have seen this web site and read each word of it. While I do not wish to dismiss it, I would definitely like to make 3 points:

1. There is no author to the web site which seriously impacts its credibility.

2. It does not even have a feedback mechanism if one wishes to question what is written which gets people like myself to question the very motive of the web site.

3. I have questions for each and every page of the web site and for every verse quoted in the site, I could offer atleast 10 traditions of the Prophet whose interpretation is totally different than that quoted in the web site.

I also wish to ask the administrator - why is it that the Bahais are allowed to post all the links they want, even if it is to a web site whose credentials are not established as yet? But I am not permitted to link my web site even if it is relevant to the topic under discussion? Based on my experience, this link should be removed. The web sites misrepresents the verses of the Quran and twists their interpretation to suit Bahai concepts.

If anybody wishes, lets take each verse and discuss it threadbare here.

Regards, as always
Imran

[arthra]

Truth be told Imran .... It is a Baha'i website and this is a Baha'i Board so it reflects Baha'i concepts.

- Art

[I, Brian]

Indeed.

[IMSassafras]

Thank you, Brian.