Islam, Am I right?

[Postmaster]

i have some cheese in my refrigerator.. yet... i have no rats. hmm... perhaps you should reconsider your worldview metaphor...

Why don't you check the cheese, the rat doesn't want it, it might have past its Expiration date.

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Why don't you check the cheese, the rat doesn't want it, it might have past its Expiration date.

the most persistent rodent problem i have is bunny rabbits... which, i happen to enjoy quite a bit, so it's a fair trade

[Postmaster]

What Religion do you preach Vajradhara? I'm interested. If it is Buddism, judging by your picture, it is indeed the only religion I don't have any negative views agaisn't. Most my negative views are of my own religion

[Vajradhara]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

What Religion do you preach Vajradhara? I'm interested. If it is Buddism, judging by your picture, it is indeed the only religion I don't have any negative views agaisn't. Most my negative views are of my own religion

Namaste Postmaster,

thank you for the post.

i do practice the Buddha Dharma tradition, however, i don't preach it in the way that this term is traditionally understood. in point of fact, that is one of the things that we really aren't supposed to do.. a bit different than our Christian friends that are under the Great Commission, as it were.

[Postmaster]

Yes, the great points about Buddhism are



Unlimitedly tolerant of other religions

Less contradictive teachings

Under no circumstance war, violence and harm can not be tolerated.

Very beautiful

However I’m a critic and I will say, although the best religion in the world, Buddhism I feel puts people out of balance, too much towards the yin. If we all converted the world population would shrink to 0? Is that ignorant? Buddhism can clear your demands but not clear the curse of the world, or can it? Not everyone can be enlightened, fundamental law and Buddhism requires devotion unlike Christianity in which you are literally born into the religion. All that time reading scripts and meditating to enlighten yourself could be better helping the starving, homeless and the ill. However that is nothing compared to how I view every other religion Buddism ranks top for me because at least you learn to love and not create harm and negativity Please correct me, I probably do need it.

[Bandit]

I am a Christian, but I will admit there are a lot of good teachings from Buddah on how to live and be a better person. Especially with the inner self, inner self peace, inner self healing and getting to know who we are as a person. I have found that some of these things are lacking in Christianity.

There are many pagan ideas in Christianity, that I will not submit to.

The inner self peace, is not the same thing as the spirit of God. I see two different types of peace there. One is a peace that I find with myself and the other is a peace that I find with God.

I don't know much about Islam, so I can't say.

There are bits of good and answers in all religions if we allow, at the least the opportunity to try and understand where they are coming from.

[Postmaster]

Its easy to intergrate Christianity with Buddism, Buddism doesn't really have any iconic figures you should devote to, its more a devotion of the teachings of one man, which didn't even intend (want) to a religious leader. I'm a practising Greek Orthodox but I'm interested in Buddism.

[Quahom1]

The best of Islam is phenominal, as is the best of Christianity, Buhdaism, Judeasim, and everyother major and "minor" faith on this planet. The problem is people.

The solution is also "people". Now, how do we go about fixing the people, hmm?

(including yours truly)

v/r

Q

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Postmaster

Its easy to intergrate Christianity with Buddism, Buddism doesn't really have any iconic figures you should devote to, its more a devotion of the teachings of one man, which didn't even intend (want) to a religious leader. I'm a practising Greek Orthodox but I'm interested in Buddism.

Most definately. Sorry everyone if this is in the wrong thread.

Then when I watched Gangaji , I immediately saw something in her that was right from God and accepted her as a teacher. There are just some things that we never got growing up that should be taught in Christianity, but for some reason most don't see it and we never got it.
But now I do! ha ha

She is really neat.

http://www.gangaji.org/

[Bandit]

Originally Posted by Quahom1

The best of Islam is phenominal, as is the best of Christianity, Buhdaism, Judeasim, and everyother major and "minor" faith on this planet. The problem is people.

The solution is also "people". Now, how do we go about fixing the people, hmm?

(including yours truly)

v/r

Q

are you saying we have a PEOPLE PROBLEM? I never would have noticed. HEE HEE, WOO HOO, you can say that again. (Laughing hard)

[Quahom1]

Originally Posted by Bandit

are you saying we have a PEOPLE PROBLEM? I never would have noticed. HEE HEE, WOO HOO, you can say that again. (Laughing hard)

Heh yeah, where do you think comedians get their best stuff from?

v/r

Q

[Postmaster]

The best of Islam is phenominal, as is the best of Christianity, Buhdaism, Judeasim, and everyother major and "minor" faith on this planet. The problem is people.

The solution is also "people". Now, how do we go about fixing the people, hmm?

I 100% truely agree with you on that one. The people can't be fixed, thats why I remain with the religion I was born into. Religion is an inevitable curse just as is Language and skin colour And it is these imaginary boarders which create races. Many Greeks died under Turkish resistance the earlyest being that of the invasion of Cyprus in 1974 (my parents home land) 30 years ago! What made this problem more serious for the Greeks was the fact that we were Christians and our deaths had some Justification. Greeks have been dieing under the name of religion for 100s of years, mainly because they refused to give up there religion and young girls and mothers used to mass suicide of whole villages, dancing to music of cliff tops so they did not get, raped, murdered or taken by Turks and we still dance to the music today as a reminder of honor.A lot of our churches have been converted to mosques. Is my anger an Illusion? My ancestors, the same blood and thoughts I carry with me today. Has a Christian ever conveted a mosque to a Church? I'm not aware of any instances?

[Quahom1]

Easy there Postmaster,

I didn't mean to pluck an errant chord. The quarrel over the island of Cyprus has been going on for decades, if not centuries, if i'm not mistaken. The trouble in the 70s partially stemmed from the fact that there is also a contingent of Turks living on the north of the island, and the fear that they would be driven into the sea too, after the Cypriot effort to join Cyprus with Greece began in earnest in 1974. Turkey saw this as a threat to its vital interests.

Cypriots and Turks are not alone in this problem of getting along. Americans, for example killed eachother with such fury and ferociousness during the 1860s that all of Europe stood in awe and horror (all this carnage over philisophical, ideological, and economic disputes). In Guam, Rota and Tinian (Marianas islands in Micronesia), tens of thousands threw themselves off of the cliffs into the sea, rather than face the monster Americans that the occupying Japanese forces had portrayed them to be, during world War Two. Rome belived it had to rule the world, while its "conquests" thought they had the right to rule themselves.

In all cases each people believed themselves to be "Divinely inspired", yet all paid a heavy price for their Human behavior (ironically all thought they were right).

Even today, people struggle against neighbors in private "little wars" that in the end leave both dazed and estranged, as well as distrusting.

I bought a house and some land, and began to build on it. I was the new guy. My neighbor (who had lived there for years) had built on his land, but unfortunately some of what he built crossed over on my land. Though initially I was going to leave that part alone, he became angry that I was building too close to "his" property line. I then showed him the papers proving he was already on my land, not his. He sued, I won. He sued again in an attempt to annex the land and I went after him in court with predjudice and forced him to "remove" his building from my land. I won, but we both lost something precious in reality. We lost comradarie, the kinship of neighbors, and a potential friendship.

Was it worth the cost? I don't know. Some days I say yes, and others I think no. I'll probably be of two minds on the issue for the rest of my life. Did he do me wrong? Yes. Did I do him wrong? Yes. Was I justified? Yes. Does that make it right? I don't know. Was it worth it? I just don't know. I wanted his neighborly friendship, what I got was land, his estrangement and his fear.

Ironically, I purposely left God out of the equasion. Probably because I knew He would have said "dump your anger and forget the land, keep the friendship". But pride and knowing the human spirit of aggression precluded me from "giving the extra inch". Instead I (legally) took a mile and threw away a potential relationship. I relied on self, instead of trusting in God, on such a "big" issue.

I understand your frustration Postmaster. Can you understand where I went wrong? Or did I go wrong? The worst part is not knowing after the fact.

v/r

Q

[Postmaster]

I didn't mean to pluck an errant chord. The quarrel over the island of Cyprus has been going on for decades, if not centuries, if i'm not mistaken. The trouble in the 70s partially stemmed from the fact that there is also a contingent of Turks living on the north of the island, and the fear that they would be driven into the sea too, after the Cypriot effort to join Cyprus with Greece began in earnest in 1974. Turkey saw this as a threat to its vital interests.

Cypriots and Turks are not alone in this problem of getting along. Americans, for example killed eachother with such fury and ferociousness during the 1860s that all of Europe stood in awe and horror (all this carnage over philisophical, ideological, and economic disputes). In Guam, Rota and Tinian (Marianas islands in Micronesia), tens of thousands threw themselves off of the cliffs into the sea, rather than face the monster Americans that the occupying Japanese forces had portrayed them to be, during world War Two. Rome belived it had to rule the world, while its "conquests" thought they had the right to rule themselves.

The Greeks and Turks were living peaceful, regardless of what you hear like for instance off the CIA website. Both my grandfathers can speak Turkish and used to have many Turkish friends before Turkey invaded and ethnically cleansed the Island. The Native Ancient man of Cyprus was the Greeks all the way through the Island, the Greeks there still speak a dilect of Ancient Greece, the Turks that settled there were from the times of the Ottoman empire, when Cyprus fell under there rule, in during them times, Greeks were persecuted for there religion. When the Christian Crusaders came and swept Cyprus off the Ottomans Cyprus managed to regain its Native look and feel with the large majority Greek population, when at the same time a minority of Turks lived there and this is the period of time which the Greeks feared of an invasion, especially when propaganda floating round that Turks and Greeks didn't get on. However, both my grandfathers speak Turkish and there is Mosques all over the south (which were origially churches) of Cyprus today untouched and preserved for our Turkish friends, a lonf with there property and land whcih has been untouched by the Greek government. However all of your churches in the North have been.........



Where's the respect for Humanity? Does Islam justify this? Turkeys government is dominated by religious ran and mostly military ran goverment.

[Bandit]

Even today, people struggle against neighbors in private "little wars" that in the end leave both dazed and estranged, as well as distrusting.

I bought a house and some land, and began to build on it. I was the new guy. My neighbor (who had lived there for years) had built on his land, but unfortunately some of what he built crossed over on my land. Though initially I was going to leave that part alone, he became angry that I was building too close to "his" property line. I then showed him the papers proving he was already on my land, not his. He sued, I won. He sued again in an attempt to annex the land and I went after him in court with predjudice and forced him to "remove" his building from my land. I won, but we both lost something precious in reality. We lost comradarie, the kinship of neighbors, and a potential friendship.

Was it worth the cost? I don't know. Some days I say yes, and others I think no. I'll probably be of two minds on the issue for the rest of my life. Did he do me wrong? Yes. Did I do him wrong? Yes. Was I justified? Yes. Does that make it right? I don't know. Was it worth it? I just don't know. I wanted his neighborly friendship, what I got was land, his estrangement and his fear.

This is good because it kind of shows that there ARE different types of people in the world and in all countries and neighborhoods. Some who want peace and friendship. Others who thrive on discord and property and don't care who is killed for it.
We have giving people who care about others and try to reason and forgive.
We have selfish people who care only about themselves and could not forgive no matter what the cost.

It kind of stinks when we have to fight just for a principal, when what a good man wants is to love others and give, only to be taken advantage of some who spend there entire life in different bondages.

So we have these never ending battles over who is right.

It is like this everywhere on earth and it is never going to change.

But it will change when the last Kingdom is established. A Kingdom and Nation not built with physical hands.