Isalm and its relationship to other religions

[Amica]

Redindica,

In regards to the verses that you quote from the Noble Qur'an that pretty much state: "you have your religion, keep it, and I have mine, I'll keep it,". These verses were revealed to Muhammad pbuh due to the pressures from the pagan Meccans that he endured. First, God Almighty tried to have Islam's message being sent in a peaceful manner as a sign of grace. By these verses one can clearly see that God Almighty did not command the Prophet Muhammad pbuh to force people into true faith, but rather to have them understand that one should worship freely how she/he wants to.
Of course, once the Meccans started torturing the first Muslims God Almighty commanded war against them and as a self defense for Muslims. Muslims did not start military jihad until their freedom of faith/belief was attacked.

[redindica]

Hi Amica

thank you for the reply and the explination for that verse. However you do not address the issue of Islams attitude to other non Abrahamic faiths. and my first post seems to have been ignored on this thread. just to re quote myself : -

So far this thread has talked about Abrahamic (sp?) religions, I’d be grateful if the good people on these boards that follow Islam could extend this discussion to Hinduism/Buddhism/Taoism (ect) and Islam’s attitude to these faiths as guided by the Qu’ran.

Or maybe refer me to a thread that already addresses this issue?

Could you answer this maybe?

Peace

[I am free]

Originally Posted by redindica

Hi Amica

thank you for the reply and the explination for that verse. However you do not address the issue of Islams attitude to other non Abrahamic faiths. and my first post seems to have been ignored on this thread. just to re quote myself : -



Could you answer this maybe?

Peace

Hi Redindica,

I think Amica's post #15 answers this question.

[pohaikawahine]

Originally Posted by Quid Est Veritas

I am a Christian, and my view of religions is that all religions lead to salvation. The Jew will go to heaven for his faithfulness to Judaism, the Muslim to heaven/paradise for his faithfulness to Islam, and the Christian to heaven for his faithfulness to Christianity.

When I began to look at Islam though, I saw several passages in the Quran that suggest that Jews and Christians should have no fear on the day of judgment; I also saw other passages that warned against any other religion because only Islam was acceptable to Allah.

So my questions are, what are the liberal/conservative views on religious pluralism in Islam? Is Islam inclusivist at all? Or is Islam to be taken as the one and only way?

What a wonderful thread you started Quid Est Veritas .... I saw several posters ask about other "ways" or "paths" and whether or not those would be included as well. This makes me think about the last pope of the catholic church who said one doesn't have to be catholic to go to heaven .... he was the first in a long line that seem to come to the realization that salvation or reaching heaven/paradise wasn't the property of any one religion, tradition, or "way" .... there are many paths to the mountaintop and when we reach the top we all see the same moon .... I am happy to see these references from the Qu'ran (even if there are different interpretations about what they mean) because I see them as showing that perhaps there is a broader understanding that we have all lost in time .... whether it is God, the great spirit, the great mystery, or the place or name that cannot be uttered .... all paths will take us to the mountaintop when we seek their inner meanings ....I think it is not only all religions that will lead us to salvation or enlightnment, it is also all ancient traditions and ways of the spirit .... just my thoughts to share .... he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine

[thipps]

A relevant Qur'anic verse:
Truly the Religion with Allaah is Islam [Qur'an, 3:19]

A relevant hadith:
From Abdullah ibn Masood(may Allaah be pleased with him) who said, " The Messenger of Allaah (pbuh) drew a line for us, then he said, 'This is the Path of Allaah.' Then he drew lines from its right and its left, then he said, 'These are scattered lines, upon each of them is a devil calling to it' Then he read,

"And verily this is My Straight Path, so follow it and do not follow the other paths because they will separate you from His Path." (Qur'an, 6:153)

[Authentic: Related by an-Nisaa'ee(no. 184) and Ahmad (1/435) and this wording is by him. Others also related it. It was authenticated by Sh. Saleem al-Hilaalee in Basaa'ir Dhush-Sharaf (pp. 82)]

so, there is no room for a multi-lane highway or getting to the top of the mountain from different paths.

[pohaikawahine]

Originally Posted by thipps

A relevant Qur'anic verse:
Truly the Religion with Allaah is Islam [Qur'an, 3:19]

"And verily this is My Straight Path, so follow it and do not follow the other paths because they will separate you from His Path." (Qur'an, 6:153)

so, there is no room for a multi-lane highway or getting to the top of the mountain from different paths.

that's really pretty sad to hear .... reality is there are many paths to the mountaintop .... the answer to the question of whether or not Islam recognizes any of them seems to be no ..... my question is whether or not this is the interpretation of all followers of the Qur'an or is there room for different interpretations .... me ke aloha pumehana, pohaikawahine

[thipps]

Before I say anything more, please keep in mind the nature of the topic and the fact that Muslims were asked this and,thus, you will be given the Muslim point of view.

Originally Posted by pohaikawahine

that's really pretty sad to hear

Actually its not. Makes things crystal clear. Nothing wrong with that.

.... reality is there are many paths to the mountaintop ....

The above-mentioned hadith removes the possibility of this. The reality you speak of, as far as we are concerned, is only in your mind. As the hadith mentioned, there is a devil on each path calling to paths other than the Path of Allaah. He calls people to it and makes it seem good to them.

the answer to the question of whether or not Islam recognizes any of them seems to be no .....

not exactly. This was explained in reference to the Jews and Christians when thier books were revealed. But, right now, in our time i.e. once the Qur'an was revealed, then there is only Islam in its current and final form to be followed as the Qur'anic verse makes it clear.

my question is whether or not this is the interpretation of all followers of the Qur'an or is there room for different interpretations .... me ke aloha pumehana, pohaikawahine

Depends on what basis you want to make room for. I ask this because you already know the answer to this question you have asked. If you are looking for a different interpretation, then you will find it but, I advise you, the one that I gave you is what the majority of muslims believe.

[thipps]

pohaikawahine, I suggest you go through the thread for a clear picture. Hopefully you will find the answers to your questions already written in them. I'll take this opportunity just to recap slightly and add some more material to this thread.
All the Prophets and Messengers called humanity to worship Allah alone without ascribing to Him any partner, and they all submitted completely to the will of Allah, which is Islam. The Prophets, from Adam to Muhammad (peace be upon them) were all brothers in faith. They all called to the same truth. Here I relate some very relevant verses for your perusal which were not shown before.

Allah chose Adam, Nuh(Noah), the family of Ibrahim (Abraham) and the family of ‘Imran above the ‘Alamin (mankind and jinn). [Qur’an, 3:33]
And, verily, among those who followed his (i.e. Nuh’s (Noah’s)) way was Ibrahim (Abraham). [Qur’an, 37:83]

He (Allah) has ordained for you the same religion (islam) which He ordained for Nuh (Noah), and that which We have inspired in you (O Mohammad (pbuh)), and that which We ordained for Ibrahim(Abraham), Musa(Moses) and ‘Eesa(Jesus) saying you should establish religion (i.e. to do what it orders you to do practically), and make no divisions in it. Intolerable for the Mushrikun (those who worship other things than Allah), is that to which you (O Mohammad (pbuh)) call them. Allah chooses for Himself whom he wills, and guides unto Himself who turns to Him in repentance and in obedience. [Qur’an, 42:13]

Verily, We have inspired you (O Mohammad (pbuh)) as We inspired Nuh (Noah) and the Prophets after him; We (also) inspired Ibrahim (Abraham), Isma’il (Ishmael), Ishaaq (Isaac), Ya’qub (Jacob), and Al-Asbaat (the twelve sons of Jacob), ‘Eesa (Jesus), Ayub (Job), Yunus (Jonah), Harun (Aaron), and Sulaiman (Solomon), and to Dawud (David) We gave the Zabur (Psalms). [Qur’an, 4:163]
Some other relevant verses are 3:33, 7:59, 9:70, 46:21.
Hope this helped.
And Allaah knows best.

[ebel86]

I am a Christian, and my view of religions is that all religions lead to salvation. The Jew will go to heaven for his faithfulness to Judaism, the Muslim to heaven/paradise for his faithfulness to Islam, and the Christian to heaven for his faithfulness to Christianity.

Not true,only one religion leads to Heaven even tho Christianity the Jewish religion and Islam are similar they are not the same.
SHAKIR: This then is Allah, your true Lord; and what is there after the truth but error; how are you then turned back?10.32
Truth and error are not the same,there is only one truth everything else is error/false.

When I began to look at Islam though, I saw several passages in the Quran that suggest that Jews and Christians should have no fear on the day of judgment; I also saw other passages that warned against any other religion because only Islam was acceptable to Allah.

So my questions are, what are the liberal/conservative views on religious pluralism in Islam? Is Islam inclusivist at all? Or is Islam to be taken as the one and only way?

First of all Quran does not contradict and Islam/Submission is the only accepted religion by God.
Just calling yourself a Muslim,Jew or Christen does not make you a beliver.
How many sects does any of the 3 religions have,so its obvios not all Muslims,Jews and Christen are true belivers.
Read the verses below for better understanding,you wont find 3 different religions in the Quran but only one.
002.062
YUSUFALI: Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
003.113
YUSUFALI: Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration.
003.114
YUSUFALI: They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous.
003.115
YUSUFALI: Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right.
003.199
YUSUFALI: And there are, certainly, among the People of the Book, those who believe in Allah, in the revelation to you, and in the revelation to them, bowing in humility to Allah: They will not sell the Signs of Allah for a miserable gain! For them is a reward with their Lord, and Allah is swift in account.

[pohaikawahine]

Originally Posted by thipps

pohaikawahine, I suggest you go through the thread for a clear picture. Hopefully you will find the answers to your questions already written in them. I'll take this opportunity just to recap slightly and add some more material to this thread.

mahalo nui .... I have read every posting in this thread and appreciate your reply. I wish you peace. he hawai'i au, pohaikawahine

[redindica]

Originally Posted by I am free

Hi Redindica,

I think Amica's post #15 answers this question.

Thank you I Am Free, I'm aware of all the posts on this thread, post number 15 is not very explicit, what I'm after is The Official Line on non Abrahamic faiths. Ie, what a Muslim should do when faced with people of such faiths, and how they are sanctioned to act towards them.

Peace.

[I am free]

Originally Posted by ebel86

...Islam/Submission is the only accepted religion by God.

Why is this? What difference would it make to God what religion I follow?

If a person is truly good & kind and loving, would such a person still burn in hell? If yes, then why?

[I am free]

Originally Posted by redindica

Thank you I Am Free, I'm aware of all the posts on this thread, post number 15 is not very explicit, what I'm after is The Official Line on non Abrahamic faiths. Ie, what a Muslim should do when faced with people of such faiths, and how they are sanctioned to act towards them.

Peace.

Hi redindica,
I agree, no post has clearly explained the Muslim view on hindus, buddhists, etc. But post #15 was the closest.

[redindica]

Originally Posted by ebel86

Not true,only one religion leads to Heaven even tho Christianity the Jewish religion and Islam are similar they are not the same.

Hi ebel86

Then why have Jesus as one of the Prophets of Islam and condemn His followers to hell? Same with the Jews and Abraham (he also being the founder of Islam if another thread is to be belived) Seems illogical. Contradictory in fact??


Peace

[wil]

Not true,only one religion leads to Heaven

and it is mine!

no mine!

'You are going to Hell, God Bless,' boy do we have a long way to go...

Everyone is doing the best with the knowledge they currently have. There is no right or wrong it just is.